MLB Trade Rumors: Angels Offseason Outlook

[jsnpritchett]

The chat for this outlook is tomorrow at noon Pacific if anyone cares:

https://live.jotcast.com/chat/angels-outlook-23-16648.html

Here's the article:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/offseason-outlook-los-angeles-angels-9.html

"It’s shaping up to be a difficult offseason. Minasian heads into his fourth year at the helm facing the long-feared potential Ohtani departure. If it happens, an already middling team will have lost its best player. If he stays, they’ll have a more uphill battle than ever in putting a viable roster around him."

 

 

[Angels 1961]

I just read it now I'm depressed. Only good part was about maybe bringing Lorenzen back.

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

The chat for this outlook is tomorrow at noon Pacific if anyone cares:

https://live.jotcast.com/chat/angels-outlook-23-16648.html

Here's the article:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/offseason-outlook-los-angeles-angels-9.html

"It’s shaping up to be a difficult offseason. Minasian heads into his fourth year at the helm facing the long-feared potential Ohtani departure. If it happens, an already middling team will have lost its best player. If he stays, they’ll have a more uphill battle than ever in putting a viable roster around him."

 

 

Very sad

[gurn67]

There was an opportunity to try to reverse this train wreck from occurring, but that passed on July 31. Instead, they went full throttle even though anyone with common sense knew it was the wrong path to take. At this point, unless there is a massive change in the direction of Arte's thinking they are one player away from being a contender, it's just going to get worse. They're many players away both at the MLB and minor league levels from fixing this. Same with spending money to fix the organizational structure. This fist has rotted from the head down. 

[Angels 1961]

53 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

There was an opportunity to try to reverse this train wreck from occurring, but that passed on July 31. Instead, they went full throttle even though anyone with common sense knew it was the wrong path to take. At this point, unless there is a massive change in the direction of Arte's thinking they are one player away from being a contender, it's just going to get worse. They're many players away both at the MLB and minor league levels from fixing this. Same with spending money to fix the organizational structure. This fist has rotted from the head down. 

I agree Ohtani train has left without passengers dropped off in Anaheim. I'm for trading few pieces this winter. Drury, Ward, Carlos E and also see if Trout will board train headed back east.

[AngelStew43]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

I agree Ohtani train has left without passengers dropped off in Anaheim. I'm for trading few pieces this winter. Drury, Ward, Carlos E and also see if Trout will board train headed back east.

The density of some people.  Mike Trout has a full no-trade clause.  Based on his performance alone, over the last 3 seasons, Mike Trout is untradeable.  Any team that tries to trade for him guts their farm system and everyday lineup, and they go over the cap.  Except Oakland.  And Mike Trout isn't going to Oakland. 

[Tank]

5 hours ago, gurn67 said:

This fist has rotted from the head down. 

isn't it supposed to be F-I-S-H?

[Angel Oracle]

16 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

I just read it now I'm depressed. Only good part was about maybe bringing Lorenzen back.

Please let it be the pre-August version.

Innings pitched (153) puts him in position to be a solid enough #4 pitcher in a 5 man rotation.

Won’t lose a draft pick either.

Then they can trade Anderson and half of his remaining salary.

Then they would have Detmers, Canning, Sandoval, Lorenzen, and Silseth/Suarez.  Would then still need 2-3 guys for AA/AAA depth.

Would then have the money to bring in 2-3 REAL late innings guys including a closer.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

That said, probably also need a better ace candidate while Detmers is still building towards that in a year or two.

Sonny Gray (likely losing draft pick)

Montgomery (no lost pick)

Yamamoto (no lost pick)

[Angels 1961]

57 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Please let it be the pre-August version.

Innings pitched (153) puts him in position to be a solid enough #4 pitcher in a 5 man rotation.

Won’t lose a draft pick either.

Then they can trade Anderson and half of his remaining salary.

Then they would have Detmers, Canning, Sandoval, Lorenzen, and Silseth/Suarez.  Would then still need 2-3 guys for AA/AAA depth.

Would then have the money to bring in 2-3 REAL late innings guys including a closer.

Rosenberg would be 1 of them. Davis Daniels and maybe Fulmer.

[Junkballer]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

That said, probably also need a better ace candidate while Detmers is still building towards that in a year or two.

Sonny Gray (likely losing draft pick)

Montgomery (no lost pick)

Yamamoto (no lost pick)

Starting to wonder if upper tier pitchers would sign here without a significant overpayment (dollars or term).  Or, there is something with them to be cautious of like age, suspect analytics (Anderson), injury history or recovery from, such as the case with Syndergaard.  Angels playoff track record, or lack thereof, would seem to whittle down the upper tier.  I like your previous post, going with depth in the rotation and BP, as opposed to top tier, may become more of a necessity than an option.

Good thing is that Minasian does like to make his best offer early.  Even though Anderson didn't work out, he went after him aggressively early.  Hopefully he identifies a better candidate this time and can prioritize the bullpen.

[ELEVEN]

2 hours ago, Junkballer said:

Starting to wonder if upper tier pitchers would sign here without a significant overpayment (dollars or term).  Or, there is something with them to be cautious of like age, suspect analytics (Anderson), injury history or recovery from, such as the case with Syndergaard.  Angels playoff track record, or lack thereof, would seem to whittle down the upper tier.  I like your previous post, going with depth in the rotation and BP, as opposed to top tier, may become more of a necessity than an option.

Good thing is that Minasian does like to make his best offer early.  Even though Anderson didn't work out, he went after him aggressively early.  Hopefully he identifies a better candidate this time and can prioritize the bullpen.

Not having a legitimate professional coaching staff could be a deterrent.

[Angels in 2030]

It's gonna be a sloooooow rebuild process until 2030.  Arte is too stubborn to truly rebuild -- nor will he change his bad ownership "habits".   I think we start to see the turn upward from the Arte ashes around 2028 and 2030 starts new decade of prominence.  

[Stradling]

Haha

[Angels in 2030]

Imagine being back in 2015 8 years ago after the season.  Finished 3 GB that season with 98 wins the season before.  Imagine someone saying at that time that the Angels would not finish above 500 for the next 8 straight years -- with Trout and with a two time MVP combo SP/hitter that rivals Babe Ruth.  Plus a top 1/3rd payroll.  To top things off, at the end of this 8 years in 2023, the Angels might be the worst off going into the post-season than during any of those previous years.  I'm not sure any of us could believe such a tall tell (some still don't want to hear it and prefer to believe otherwise).

[m0nkey]

[Hubs]

The Angels will hire a manager before Free Agency. Once this round of the playoffs are over, they are allowed to start interviews with playoff teams, if they decided to interview someone still remaining in the playoffs. Plus there will only be 4 teams left.

Then, they need a gameplan on how the next three years will look. 

2024, If they resign Ohtani, they will undoubtably try to compete. They need to grab another starter then, to go along with Sandoval, Canning, and Detmers. Anderson as they alluded, may be sent out, and they have Suarez ticketed for the pen. So even if Silseth goes to the 5th spot, will they still go with 6? XX, Detmers, Anderson, Sandoval, Canning, Silseth? Not much depth there if they go with 6. They have to improve the pen. Estevez, XX, XX, Joyce, Soriano, Bachman, and Wantz maybe?

They need at least one infielder to go along with Rendon, Rengifo, Neto, Drury, and Schanuel. Maybe it's Fletcher, and Velazquez needs to stay gone. They need an outfielder unless they feel confident with Trout, Adell, Moniak, and Ward. They are probably good at Catcher with O'Hoppe and Thaiss. Maybe they bring in a 3rd if they feel confident using Thaiss sometimes at 1st, but he's a catcher now, right?

They do not have a DH if they do not resign Ohtani, and even if you may see a heavy dose of Trout and Rendon there, they will still need another hitter if they don't resign Ohtani. They are allowed 13 pitchers, and they've had Ohtani as #14 for the past few years. So with 6 starters, they only have a 7 man pen, and 13 hitters. SO DH (or Ohtani), 4 x OF, 6 x INF, 2 x C. 

This doesn't seem to be a playoff team, so maybe they will shake it up with some trades.

for 2025, Most of the same crew could be brought back, but pitching could be different. Estevez and Drury are free agents among others.

2026, Rendon is likely cut if still not healthy or performing and they will have a lot of arb eligibles, so...

Gotta put a game plan in place for three years and sell Ohtani on it. Otherwise, they will have to shake it up.

[Angels 1961]

Pitch from Dodgers we are in playoffs every year come help us win a WS. Pitch from Texas come join and be part of best lineup in MLB. Pitch from Angels we will have new manager and GM every year please come we have bag of magic beans. New coaches new medical staff and new minor league players on MLB weekly. 

[Angel Oracle]

I would give 3B to Rengifo.

He has the arm and decent enough hitting the past two seasons.

Have Rendon DH a lot of the time and put Trout there just often enough to keep him fresher not having to play full time in the OF.

This has to be Adell’s last chance, turning 25 in 2024.

[Angels 1961]

4 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I would give 3B to Rengifo.

He has the arm and decent enough hitting the past two seasons.

Have Rendon DH a lot of the time and put Trout there just often enough to keep him fresher not having to play full time in the OF.

This has to be Adell’s last chance, turning 25 in 2024.

Yes, this is Adell's last chance he is out of options.

[Angel Oracle]

Although I wonder if they decide to move on from Adell now and trade him.

Then if Ohtani doesn’t re-sign, try to go after Bellinger ($17 million in 2023)?

It was by far Bellinger’s best season since 2020, but from 2017-2020 he was really solid in the field and at the plate.  Thus, not truly a career year

Age is not a factor, doesn’t turn 29 until July.

Has a mutual option for 2024 with the Cubs.    He likely turns it down to capitalize on his age and resurgence.    In that scenario, there’s no QO since there’s an option, correct?   Thus no draft pick lost?

Just a thought.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[DMVol]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I would give 3B to Rengifo.

He has the arm and decent enough hitting the past two seasons.

Have Rendon DH a lot of the time and put Trout there just often enough to keep him fresher not having to play full time in the OF.

This has to be Adell’s last chance, turning 25 in 2024.

I think the article is right, you don’t necessarily have to plug Rengifo in anywhere….I’m still not sure Schanuel is ready to be the full time 1Bman….if not, Drury fits in well at 1b and Rengifo at 2b….Rengifo gives you options….

[Angel Oracle]

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

I think the article is right, you don’t necessarily have to plug Rengifo in anywhere….I’m still not sure Schanuel is ready to be the full time 1Bman….if not, Drury fits in well at 1b and Rengifo at 2b….Rengifo gives you options….

Good point 

[greginpsca]

I think the days of high payroll are over.

[Angel Oracle]

36 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

I think the days of high payroll are over.

Maybe not, but going forward have a more balanced payroll that is not so top heavy.