The Official Hypothetical Ohtani Trade Thread

[Stradling]

Ok, let’s play the trade Ohtani game. Make your hypothetical trade proposal and we will quote the post and say if we’d accept it or if it’s unrealistic.  

[Stradling]

Ohtani to the White Sox for Eloy Jimenez and Giolito?  You get three years of Eloy and negotiating rights to Giolito. 

[ukyah]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Ohtani to the White Sox for Eloy Jimenez and Giolito?  You get three years of Eloy and negotiating rights to Giolito. 

the white sox are 7.5 games under .500. shouldn't it be for teams that are reasonably playoff bound and would be interested in giving up significant prospects?

[Make Angels Great Again]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Ohtani to the White Sox for Eloy Jimenez and Giolito?  You get three years of Eloy and negotiating rights to Giolito. 

Meh. Wouldn’t do this, and would be very disappointed if it happened.

basically getting eloy’s final two arb years. And he’s not that great. This is a guy who has never cracked two WAR. Not even any high ranked prospects? Not even close to enough

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, ukyah said:

the white sox are 7.5 games under .500. shouldn't it be for teams that are reasonably playoff bound and would be interested in giving up significant prospects?

I’ve heard of their interest in him which is why I suggested it. 

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Meh. Wouldn’t do this, and would be very disappointed if it happened.

basically getting eloy’s final two arb years. And he’s not that great. This is a guy who has never cracked two WAR. Not even any high ranked prospects? Not even close to enough

I read that Eloy has two team options the next two years. He’s also 26 years old. I don’t believe the package will be all that great for a rental. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

30 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I read that Eloy has two team options the next two years. He’s also 26 years old. I don’t believe the package will be all that great for a rental. 

also could be though. Yankees got Gleyber Torres back from the cubs for half a season of aroldis Chapman. Gleyber was a top 50 prospect at the time. And Chapman, as we know, is a closer. Ohtani is something totally different. And every team in contention could use him

[Jason]

Texas, Atlanta and Baltimore all makes sense.

[SoWhat]

I know no one wants to deal Ohtani to the Dodgers, but some sort of package headlined by Miller and Pepiot would be my first choice.

[Stradling]

Just now, SoWhat said:

I know no one wants to deal Ohtani to the Dodgers, but some sort of package headlined by Miller and Pepiot would be my first choice.

I’d do that, but they aren’t giving up Miller for Ohtani. 

[Swordsman78]

Ironically Ohtani says he "just wants to win", but the salary he is going to get is going to prohibit  that team from signing a quality roster to support the winning effort.

Which ever team gets Ohtani will be signing him just for marketing purposes only.

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I’d do that, but they aren’t giving up Miller for Ohtani. 

Throw in Moore or Carlos Esteviz

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I’d do that, but they aren’t giving up Miller for Ohtani. 

Plus Renfroe

[totdprods]

I read a list recently looking at some midseason deals for big name FA-to-be’s and the return for all of them sucked. 

The only team that I think would give up anything worth it (Mets) is probably on the verge of being sellers anyways. Not sure the Dodgers or Braves have the bullets to spend on a rental.

Sleeper pick? Tampa. They have the farm to make a great offer that doesn’t kill the team, a clear need, and while they’re almost certain not to sign him (despite rumors of recent big contract talks with other FAs) it would make some sense for them to try to make a WS run. Think when Milwaukee acquired Sabathia or Houston Randy Johnson. Moves made purely in an effort to get a ring with no real shot at keeping beyond that year.

Plus I think Tampa actually could be a team that drops a ton on Ohtani but is capable of continually building a cheap effective competitive team around him. Could be the star they need to generate interest in the team. And they win. 

Edited July 8, 2023 by totdprods

[Angelsjunky]

To the Orioles for Gunnar Henderson.

Here me out. Gunnar is going to be a stud, but he's only pretty good right now. Gettin Ohtani for the last two months gives the Orioles an edge. Plus they get first shot at signing him long-term. 

Meanwhile, Gunnar is the 3B right away. Rendon moves to 1st.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Angelsjunky

[Jason]

8 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

To the Orioles for Gunnar Henderson.

Here me out. Gunnar is going to be a stud, but he's only pretty good right now. Gettin Ohtani for the last two months gives the Orioles an edge. Plus they get first shot at signing him long-term. 

Meanwhile, Gunnar is the 3B right away. Rendon moves to 1st.

I don’t think they should be counting on Rendon at all. The Halos need to address both 3B and 1B. 

[Angelsjunky]

The Trade Simulator gives Ohtani a median value of 57.3. For obvious reasons, he's particularly difficult to assess, but that's a lot for a guy with less than half a season under club control.

Anyhow, Henderson is valued at 70.2, so my suggestion isn't totally far-fetched. Grayson Rodriguez (44.1) and Heston Kjerstad (15.7) might be more realistic.

But that's the basic idea. Fangraphs has Rodriguez at 55, Kjerstad at 45+.

[Angelsjunky]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don’t think they should be counting on Rendon at all. The Halos need to address both 3B and 1B. 

Sure, but 1B is easier to fill than 3B.

 

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Sure, but 1B is easier to fill than 3B.

 

Probably why Baltimore won’t do a deal like that. 

[Stradling]

Ohtani to the Dodgers for Gosselin and Pages?

[Revad]

One top 50 prospect, one from the team’s top 20 and another prospect.  

[Angels 1961]

10 hours ago, Jason said:

I don’t think they should be counting on Rendon at all. The Halos need to address both 3B and 1B. 

Ohtani gone opens up DH for Rendon and Trout

[Angels 1961]

Cincy, Arizona, Twins and any team with legit shot for playoffs. Toronto, Tampa maybe even Boston, Texas, Seattle. 

[Angels in 2030]

Any team trading for Ohtani is doing so for winning the WS this year -- not necessarily for the LT of Ohtani.  So them giving up producing ML talent in return makes no sense.  The trade here is for prospects only.  A top 10-20 overall guy who's a 2024 option + a guy in the 50-120 range + maybe 2 very young (17-19 yr old) promising but far out pieces (int'l or recent HS draftees). 

If any current ML players come in return, i'd expect it to be guys for salary match (if a team cares about that) or a former high ranked guy who is not cutting it (yet) at the ML level.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, Revad said:

One top 50 prospect, one from the team’s top 20 and another prospect.  

This is probably what you’re looking at. Maybe with a fourth fringe guy thrown in. 
 

I think the main problem with the “trade Ohtani” talk is that people are over-estimating what the Angels would get back. 
 

As I’ve said many times, look at the Scherzer-Turner trade. The Nats gave up more than Ohtani in that deal (Turner is a SS and had a whole year of control left) and they got 2 top 100 prospects (Josiah Gray and Kiebert Ruiz). I think if subtract one of those guys, you’re close to what Ohtani would net.