Walsh

[gurn67]

1 minute ago, Trendon said:

the tricky thing in evaluating those games is he was hurt and/or recovering in the majority of them.

I have no doubt that his injury impacted his performance. So to me, the question is if he can ever recover from a surgery that few MLB hitters get.

We also don't know if the mental issues he was supposedly having are affecting him on the field also. Some guys just lose it. Go from All-Star caliber players to out of baseball real quick. He wouldn't be the first guy.

[Ron Mexico]

Yea tonight is the end of the leash for him

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[VladdyforHOF]

He's so bad.

[ten ocho recon scout]

41 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

Jared Walsh's last 68 games going back to June of last season

68 games. That's basically half a season for today's ballplayers who can't seem to play much more than 140 anymore.

31 for 213 for a batting average of .146

9 doubles and only 2 home runs! for a slugging percentage of .216.

8 RBI's

So, that's the productions they've gotten out of him for basically a half a season's worth of games from their starting first baseman

2 home runs and 8 RBI's.

I'm still willing to be patient with him. He's missed a ton of time.

But this lines up with what alive said about Ward. When something seems too good to be true, like guys who weren't big time prospects suddenly killing it, I won't expect them to continue to do that until I see it for like 3 years in a row.

I call it my David Fletcher rule.

[T.G.]

I remember when people couldn't wait to see his glove back in the lineup 

[Angel Oracle]

When Stassi returns, have Thaiss start more games at 1B, and then use Walsh’s fielding late in games that they lead in.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[REDneck]

Not a happy story here.

[Erstad Grit]

It's sad, but Rendon, Neto, Drury, Urshella, and Rengifo all warrant a spot over him.  

[Dtwncbad]

I know the number of at bats is probably too low to make any rash decisions.

But right now it sure appears that the team is better off getting him out of the lineup to get a different bat into the lineup.

Maybe that is “unfair” to Walsh to some degree but let’s be realistic.  The team needs to win games right now.

Does anyone else feel like the right plan to put the best offensive team on the field right now means Walsh is the odd man out?

[Stradling]

I’d send Walsh down and I can’t believe I’m saying this but when Fletcher is healthy I bring him up.  I’m not sure who to cut loose from the 40 man roster to do this but that’s the roster move I’d be in favor of. It would give you a late inning defensive specialist at 2nd base. 

[Dtwncbad]

I openly admit I am not a big Walsh fan so that probably makes me less patient than others.

But I just think you should have a mashing bat at first base.  And if you don’t, then you don’t get too loyal to the guy at 1B and you use the position to move some people around and get a better bat in the lineup elsewhere.

[PattyD22]

I really can’t believe how far Walsh has fallen since he was an All Star.  I am also in agreement that maybe he needs what management did with David Fletcher and send him down for an extended period of time, hell……just to get his timing down.  Like last night, he has been completely flailing away at breaking balls low and inside.  It’s been, and has always been, his kryptonite.  He simply cannot lay off them.

His defense is above any of his replacement, but what he’s producing offensively is just about zero and looking at his reactions after his plate appearances, it looks like his confidence is gone also.

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I’d send Walsh down and I can’t believe I’m saying this but when Fletcher is healthy I bring him up.  I’m not sure who to cut loose from the 40 man roster to do this but that’s the roster move I’d be in favor of. It would give you a late inning defensive specialist at 2nd base. 

Sending Fletcher down seems to have been a positive for him…why not the same for Walsh….he’s a dead spot in the lineup right now…let him work it out at SLC…

[Chuck]

Yep, tweeted this out last night during the game. 

In episode seven of our podcast we discussed how long of a leash the Angels should give Jared Walsh. 

To me, this is a must win (get into the playoffs) year for the Angels. I don't believe they should be trotting him out there just because of his first base defense when Urshela/Drury can hold it down while Walsh gets his shit together in AAA. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

I know the number of at bats is probably too low to make any rash decisions.

But right now it sure appears that the team is better off getting him out of the lineup to get a different bat into the lineup.

Maybe that is “unfair” to Walsh to some degree but let’s be realistic.  The team needs to win games right now.

Does anyone else feel like the right plan to put the best offensive team on the field right now means Walsh is the odd man out?

What’s fair should be irrelevant. This is a results based business and he isn’t cutting it. It sucks for him but you’re right, they need to win games 

[Angelsjunky]

I'll play Devil's Advocate and say that I'd like to see him get more time. For one, he's taking walks and getting on base at a decent rate (.333), which is significantly higher than Renfroe or Drury, both of whom are hovering around .300. This is a continuation of what he was doing in AAA, so I'd like to think he's become more patient.

Secondly, it isn't like we have a young Frank Thomas waiting in the wings. I suppose Thaiss could platoon at 1B, but otherwise it is Drury - who is OK, but really more of a platoon guy.

Obviously he can't hit .150 with no power for ever, but he's only at 51 PA. How about doubling that, and see how his numbers look.

[totdprods]

Way too soon...he's walking and I like his defense at 1B substantially more over anyone else. Needs to get to at least 100, 150 PA before any real concerns start to seep in. 

[Blarg]

Last night Walsh probably saved a couple runs on a defensive play, his quick response starting the double play that ended the fifth killed the Cubs only scoring rally. Nearly every game Walsh makes a play his substitutes didn't and those are runners erased and runs saved. 

How long do we keep the defense shored up waiting for Walsh to shake off 7 months of rust? I couldn't say but Drury or Urshela at first base probably isn't the answer and bringing up Fletcher certainly isn't either. 

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Last night Walsh probably saved a couple runs on a defensive play, his quick response starting the double play that ended the fifth killed the Cubs only scoring rally. Nearly every game Walsh makes a play his substitutes didn't and those are runners erased and runs saved. 

How long do we keep the defense shored up waiting for Walsh to shake off 7 months of rust? I couldn't say but Drury or Urshela at first base probably isn't the answer and bringing up Fletcher certainly isn't either. 

He's the best 'all-around' first baseman we have, provided he at least starts mustering a similar .700-.750 OPS. I'm not even sure Thaiss, Drury, Urshela, or Rendon bring nearly enough defensively to make any offensive difference worth it yet either. Totally agree that the defense he's brought has been elite when compared to what we've been trotting out this year. And FWIW, he seems like a guy who fits really well in the clubhouse. 

Now, 2024...different story...I imagine Walsh is a legit non-tender candidate at this point, and I could see one of the above names getting regular reps at 1B with an offseason plan to use them at that spot in place.

[DMVol]

17 minutes ago, totdprods said:

…Now, 2024...different story...I imagine Walsh is a legit non-tender candidate at this point, and I could see one of the above names getting regular reps at 1B with an offseason plan to use them at that spot in place.

We’re 8 games out of the division and in a tough year for Wild Card competition…I don’t think we can put off a decision on him until the off-season….SLC seems like a good idea unless he can’t be optioned…

[Vlad27Trout27]

Some of you must not have watched the angels defense pre-walsh days. it's basically been a 180.

I also have liked his atbats! he's working counts and stuff ( hence the high BB) seems like it's a timing issue and 17 games is not enough to analysis a player.. For me the real question is the power, will it return? seem like guys with Thoac surgery power is always the big question

[Blarg]

Trout the last 6 games is hitting .143/.308/.286/.593. Does he have any options left to send him back to AAA to sort himself out? 

Yes, sarcasm but it represents the thinking here that every player that is coming back from the IL should be able to jump right back into it and produce. I do think Walsh should probably had taken a Spring Training worth of plate appearences in AAA before being reassigned but Drury and Urshela just weren't defensively helping the team win. 

[totdprods]

32 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Some of you must not have watched the angels defense pre-walsh days. it's basically been a 180.

I also have liked his atbats! he's working counts and stuff ( hence the high BB) seems like it's a timing issue and 17 games is not enough to analysis a player.. For me the real question is the power, will it return? seem like guys with Thoac surgery power is always the big question

Thank you.

We were getting killed defensively without Walsh. Have to wonder if that even affected the pitchers a bit…if they didn’t trust the defense, could mean they were hesitant to pitch to contact as much as they should’ve been and it’s been hard to break them of those habits quickly. 

This team was going to be a mess defensively out of the gate without a true SS or 1B, and a bunch of guys rotating between different spots. It’s starting to stabilize. Aside from Sandoval and Anderson, I have faith in the other rotation arms getting into a groove. The bullpen and defense have gotten much better. They just need the bats to get hot and the rotation to lock in a bit and they could have a strong few weeks that put them right back in the thick of things.

[Vlad27Trout27]

I believe 30 to 35 games should be the threshold before bring up concerns about a position player and not 17 games. 

[totdprods]

3 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

I believe 30 to 35 games should be the threshold before bring up concerns about a position player and not 17 games. 

About ~100 to ~150 PA is my threshold for hitters. Have a ways to go still.