Bowden: “[The Angels] are fielding phone calls and they are listening [on Ohtani]”

[cals]

3 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

Are we better off trading for stars compared to signing them as a free agent?  Who have we traded for and did they suck or were they really good in their time as an Angel?

Uptown was a good pick up at the time. Who else? Texeira was really good. Greinke was good. 

Dan Haren wasn't bad. 

[eligrba]

3 hours ago, T.G. said:

I had a thought... if the universal DH had been around when Ohtani was deciding where to sign... I wonder if he would have still signed with the Angels.

[halonatic13]

1 hour ago, cals said:

Dan Haren wasn't bad. 

That's my point.  We are better when we trade for the right pieces than signing big free agents.

 

Bartee for Figgens

Newcomb for Simmons

Segura for Greinke

Saunders for Haren

Kotchman for Teixeira

Time for a some fresh faces.

[daygloman]

Just saw this article.

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/shohei-ohtani-free-agent-contract-value-revealed-01g901fxvrej/partners/36534?fbclid=IwAR2ojt-o1B90P_YEOF1IDNuOA3HZmsoTDi0dg0WOUkA7-Xnl1ud1c4faM80 

[AngelsLakersFan]

22 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

That's my point.  We are better when we trade for the right pieces than signing big free agents.

 

Bartee for Figgens

Newcomb for Simmons

Segura for Greinke

Saunders for Haren

Kotchman for Teixeira

Time for a some fresh faces.

We’ve had some real trade busts as well, Wells and Kazmir come to mind. Most of our injured pitchers came via trade, Heaney, Skaggs, Tropiano, Meyer…

I think the big thing with getting guys via free agency is that they are older and already getting paid. Not to say they aren’t trying, but the hunger is not going to be at the same level as a younger guy a couple years away from getting his big contract.

[T.G.]

43 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

 

Saunders for Haren

Actually…

Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Tyler Skaggs and Rafael Rodriguez for Haren.

[failos]

Alright I’m done with this team

[Angels 1961]

2 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

We’ve had some real trade busts as well, Wells and Kazmir come to mind. Most of our injured pitchers came via trade, Heaney, Skaggs, Tropiano, Meyer…

I think the big thing with getting guys via free agency is that they are older and already getting paid. Not to say they aren’t trying, but the hunger is not going to be at the same level as a younger guy a couple years away from getting his big contract.

Kosco trade turn out ok

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, T.G. said:

Actually…

Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Tyler Skaggs and Rafael Rodriguez for Haren.

Corbin really came back to earth in DC.

[T.G.]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

Corbin really came back to earth in DC.

He helped them win a World Series

[Angel Oracle]

3 minutes ago, T.G. said:

He helped them win a World Series

True, and pitched well.   But then from 2020-2022, his ERA is around 5.00.

Strange thing is, health hasn’t been an issue, as he’s only missed some 2-3 starts as a Nats pitcher.

But yeah, they possibly don’t win a WS without him in 2019, and so he did pay some dividends.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[HanfordGuy]

[mmc]

12 hours ago, failos said:

Alright I’m done with this team

Because the GM's doing his job?

[mmc]

[Angel Oracle]

Something to keep in mind: did Moreno show his hand when voting down the CBA proposal?    Will he indeed refuse to get up to the tax threshold ($233 million in 2023)?

If he were to re-sign Ohtani, that’s likely $110–$115 million tied up in three players.    

So, if Moreno doesn’t go much over this season’s tax threshold payroll ($207 million), and does re-sign Ohtani, that leaves about $55 million to spend (Upton off payroll and assuming Thor, Lorenzen, and Bradley also off of payroll).

[Chuck]

https://bookies.com/mlb/picks/shohei-ohtani-trade-odds

[Sully151]

If he goes somewhere else, I hope it’s the Padres. He would pitch against the Dodgers several times a year, he would be going to a playoff contender, and he is still close enough to go see in person. 

[Taylor]

58 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

https://bookies.com/mlb/picks/shohei-ohtani-trade-odds

I hope he doesn't go to The Field. That team has the worst fans.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Sully151 said:

If he goes somewhere else, I hope it’s the Padres. He would pitch against the Dodgers several times a year, he would be going to a playoff contender, and he is still close enough to go see in person. 

Question is, do the Padres have enough spare offense with potential to trade?   They certainly have the pitching to send one or two of them back to the Halos, although Gore’s elbow concerns takes away sone pitching depth.   Don’t want Darvish, too up there in years, and certainly don’t want Myers.

Edit: Although Darvish is only owed $25 million between now and 2023, and has really solid numbers this season.

Could Darvish and Thor be good 2023 bridges to the young pitchers on the farm?

Darvish, Detmers, Thor, Sandoval, Bush, and whoever 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Angelsjunky]

Imagine a scenario in which a team offers a tempting package of prospects for Ohtani that's almost too good to refuse, and Perry saying, "Let me sleep on it." Then imagine the quality of sleep Perry would have that night. What a nightmare.

[Stradling]

21 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Imagine a scenario in which a team offers a tempting package of prospects for Ohtani that's almost too good to refuse, and Perry saying, "Let me sleep on it." Then imagine the quality of sleep Perry would have that night. What a nightmare.

Would he “sleep like a baby”

[Dtwncbad]

33 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Imagine a scenario in which a team offers a tempting package of prospects for Ohtani that's almost too good to refuse, and Perry saying, "Let me sleep on it." Then imagine the quality of sleep Perry would have that night. What a nightmare.

He would probably sleep just fine with HIS job done.  He would simply be asking Moreno for a yes or no at that point.

[Angelsjunky]

24 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Would he “sleep like a baby”

Are you making a joke about his appearance?

10 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

He would probably sleep just fine with HIS job done.  He would simply be asking Moreno for a yes or no at that point.

Well, maybe. But GMs tend to get blamed - they're scapegoats. To some degree this is valid, because it is their job to present a case for or against to the owner. On the other hand, we all know how Arte is. 

The point being, if he traded Ohtani and he kept putting up 8 WAR seasons for the next five years and the top prospects in return turned out like Lewis Brinson and Kyle Drabek, it might ruin his career, while Arte would still have plenty of yacht fuel.

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Are you making a joke about his appearance?

Well, maybe. But GMs tend to get blamed - they're scapegoats. To some degree this is valid, because it is their job to present a case for or against to the owner. On the other hand, we all know how Arte is. 

The point being, if he traded Ohtani and he kept putting up 8 WAR seasons for the next five years and the top prospects in return turned out like Lewis Brinson and Kyle Drabek, it might ruin his career, while Arte would still have plenty of yacht fuel.

I was just bantering.

The answer is you don’t trade Ohtani period.  He is the most marketable player on the planet, he is a middle of the order hitter and a guy that could dominate on the mound throughout a whole postseason.

You don’t trade him.  You do your one million percent best to put a team around him (including busting your budget) and live with the results.

[Stradling]

11 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Are you making a joke about his appearance?

Well, maybe. But GMs tend to get blamed - they're scapegoats. To some degree this is valid, because it is their job to present a case for or against to the owner. On the other hand, we all know how Arte is. 

The point being, if he traded Ohtani and he kept putting up 8 WAR seasons for the next five years and the top prospects in return turned out like Lewis Brinson and Kyle Drabek, it might ruin his career, while Arte would still have plenty of yacht fuel.

I was making a joke because Butcher once said that when our staff wasn’t pitching well.