We really need Rendon back

[Torridd]

His 3B replacements haven't been so good. It's games like today where he could have made a difference. Obviously, we're still struggling in the pitching department, but until that's shorn up a better offense is the key.

[failos]

[DMVol]

Wouldn’t hurt if he brought a reliable relief pitcher with him.....

[sammyscioscia]

13 minutes ago, DMVol said:

Wouldn’t hurt if he brought a reliable relief pitcher with him.....

Mayers had a 0.91 ERA before being overused by Maddon, sure he shouldn't have thrown a 1-2 meatball but mistakes happen when over using relievers.  Pulling C-Rod when he hadn't given up a single hit was a mistake, Maddon needs to stop over managing and stick to the winning hands, this going against logic to look like a genius thing isn't working well.

[eligrba]

If Mayers is being overused by being asked to get the last two outs of an inning after pitching the night before, the Angels are in deeper trouble than we think.  This is ridiculous.  You know what would help Mayers; throwing strikes in places other than the middle of the plate.

[eligrba]

Trout grounds out weakly with bases loaded.....I didn't realize Maddon gave him the sign to ground out weakly.

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Trout grounds out weakly with bases loaded.....I didn't realize Maddon gave him the sign to ground out weakly.

While I like the gist of this post as it relates to the manager not having control over a single at bat, Trout really doesn’t deserve criticism when you consider he has 5 hits over the last 2 games.  He can’t come through every time.  This was about Maddon over managing and going to a guy that threw 27 pitches the night before and taking out someone who was pitching well.  

[eligrba]

Just now, Stradling said:

While I like the gist of this post as it relates to the manager not having control over a single at bat, Trout really doesn’t deserve criticism when you consider he has 5 hits over the last 2 games.  He can’t come through every time.  This was about Maddon over managing and going to a guy that threw 27 pitches the night before and taking out someone who was pitching well.  

What should Maddon do when in the same situation in September?  I'm certainly no expert, but maybe the way Mayer and other pitchers prepare for a similar position in September is to be placed in that position early in the season.  I simply disagree with Mayer being over used in April because he threw 27 pitches the night before.  Maybe Mayer is best utilized by giving him a day off, maybe he is streaky in how he pitching?  I just think April is more of a "find out what you got" time than anything else.  If this is what Mayer is, it is better to find out now than in September.

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, eligrba said:

What should Maddon do when in the same situation in September?  I'm certainly no expert, but maybe the way Mayer and other pitchers prepare for a similar position in September is to be placed in that position early in the season.  I simply disagree with Mayer being over used in April because he threw 27 pitches the night before.  Maybe Mayer is best utilized by giving him a day off, maybe he is streaky in how he pitching?  I just think April is more of a "find out what you got" time than anything else.  If this is what Mayer is, it is better to find out now than in September.

What should Maddon do in September?  Probably what he should have done today, leave Rodriguez in.  

[eligrba]

Just now, Stradling said:

What should Maddon do in September?  Probably what he should have done today, leave Rodriguez in.  

[eligrba]

Then we all jump on Maddon for leaving Rodriguez in the game when things go bad.

[Stradling]

Just now, eligrba said:

Then we all jump on Maddon for leaving Rodriguez in the game when things go bad.

Go right ahead, I wouldn’t.

[eligrba]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Go right ahead, I wouldn’t.

Players play the game and should be held mostly accountable.  I don't hold Maddon responsible for trying to protect Rodriguez's outing since he has little MLB experience and it is only April. Putting in a veteran to deal with a high leverage position makes sense.  Given the options, Mayer seemed like the best choice.  Mayer didn't get it done.

[tdawg87]

Mayers*

[eligrba]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Mayers*

[JustATroutFan]

44 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Trout grounds out weakly with bases loaded.....I didn't realize Maddon gave him the sign to ground out weakly.

That last out that Trout made in today's game was at an exit velocity of over 100. It was hardly a weak grounder. 

[eligrba]

2 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

That last out that Trout made in today's game was at an exit velocity of over 100. It was hardly a weak grounder. 

Fine.....Trout hit a ball with an exit velocity of over 100 with bases loaded!!!! That's awesome!!!!

[Jeff Fletcher]

15 hours ago, sammyscioscia said:

Mayers had a 0.91 ERA before being overused by Maddon, sure he shouldn't have thrown a 1-2 meatball but mistakes happen when over using relievers.  Pulling C-Rod when he hadn't given up a single hit was a mistake, Maddon needs to stop over managing and stick to the winning hands, this going against logic to look like a genius thing isn't working well.

So the guy who had thrown 27 pitches the night before was tired but the guy who had thrown 41 already in that game wasnt?

[Dtwncbad]

Pitching is very mental.  Taking a young guy out after pitching well builds their confidence, leading to more good outings.

Sometimes it isn’t about that single game, it is about building a player to maximize their value over the season.

[Chuck]

9 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

So the guy who had thrown 27 pitches the night before was tired but the guy who had thrown 41 already in that game wasnt?

Chris Rodriguez didn't show any signs of being tired yesterday and his stuff was still electric. 

[Angel Oracle]

The main thing I am trying to remind myself is that this is Joe’s MO, going back to his Tampa Bay days.

Use the early season to see what he has, and then adjust accordingly as the season progresses.

He has been successful with it.

My main concern is having Mayers pitch too many innings already.   Short 2020 season plus Mayers never pitching a lot of innings after 2017 = need to be cautious.

They need another late innings guy.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Jeff Fletcher]

55 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Chris Rodriguez didn't show any signs of being tired yesterday and his stuff was still electric. 

41 pitches is a lot. And he was coming up to the heart of the order, 2 of 3 lefties, with a runner already on base. (Who Rodríguez had walked.)

Do you remember the previous time he pitched, in KC?
 

I honestly was surprised he even started the 8th. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Jeff Fletcher

[Dtwncbad]

20 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

41 pitches is a lot. And he was coming up to the heart of the order, 2 of 3 lefties, with a runner already on base. (Who Rodríguez had walked.)

Do you remember the previous time he pitched, in KC?
 

I honestly was surprised he even started the 8th. 

A manger taking out a reliever before he gets shelled?

My dad used to stop us kids all the time in what felt like the middle of having fun.

“OK you guys been doing this for almost two hours.  That’s enough.  Everybody off the trampoline.  Nobody is mad and nobody is hurt.  This is a good place to stop for exactly those reasons.”

[Erstad Grit]

Yes without Rendon this team is probably a .500 team. The difference from Rendon and Rengifo/Rojas is enormous and much larger than the gap of Stassi/Suzuki vs Suzuki/Benboom.

Including last season Mayers is being used by Joe close to half the games which seems really high. 

 

[Jeff Fletcher]

4 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

41 pitches is a lot. And he was coming up to the heart of the order, 2 of 3 lefties, with a runner already on base. (Who Rodríguez had walked.)

Do you remember the previous time he pitched, in KC?
 

I honestly was surprised he even started the 8th. 

Maddon addressed this just now. He said he would have left him in if he'd gotten Solak, but when he walked him, he felt like he was struggling a little. Combine that with the fact that he was at the most pitches he'd thrown AND he had Mayers, who is very good on lefties, he went with Mayers.