Do the Angels have more pitching problems...

[Torridd]

... as far as arm/surgery issues than other teams? I was just wondering if that's so then players may think twice about playing for us. 

[T.G.]

[VariousCrap]

I remember someone posting an article last year that showed when the farm system is included, the Angels were in the middle of the pack.  When you looked at only the major league pitchers, the Angels were towards the top.

The reality is, TJ surgery is the new normal.  As long as the league mainly focuses on pitchers that throw 95+ mph, this trend will continue.  If the average fastball was 88-90 mph, there wouldn't be as many of these surgeries.

[failos]

Yes

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Gene Aurty Moreno said:

Yes

[Lou]

34 minutes ago, VariousCrap said:

I remember someone posting an article last year that showed when the farm system is included, the Angels were in the middle of the pack.  When you looked at only the major league pitchers, the Angels were towards the top.

The reality is, TJ surgery is the new normal.  As long as the league mainly focuses on pitchers that throw 95+ mph, this trend will continue.  If the average fastball was 88-90 mph, there wouldn't be as many of these surgeries.

 

32 minutes ago, Gene Aurty Moreno said:

Yes

[VariousCrap]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

 

Not even sure what your joke is with this one. 

[Torridd]

I found this. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/03/17/mlb-pitching-injuries/

[Lou]

1 minute ago, VariousCrap said:

Not even sure what your joke is with this one. 

Try harder 

[VariousCrap]

Just now, Lou said:

Try harder 

Okay...but about what?

[failos]

Just now, VariousCrap said:

Okay...but about what?

He doesn’t want you to besmirch the Angels’ honor

[Lou]

Just now, VariousCrap said:

Okay...but about what?

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you.

It was for the response 

[Lou]

Just now, Gene Aurty Moreno said:

He doesn’t want you to besmirch the Angels’ honor

That's dumb 

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, Torridd said:

... as far as arm/surgery issues than other teams? I was just wondering if that's so then players may think twice about playing for us. 

Yes, but it isn’t just bad luck. 

On one level, every team has guys like this. 

The Angels have more, though, because of their desperate need for quality pitching. It has led them to pursue some players with higher injury risk but a lot of upside if healthy. Ohtani’s condition was known when he signed. Heaney and Canning (and maybe Skaggs) were likely cheaper because of medical concerns. 

[tdawg87]

I'm a maybe.

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Yes, but it isn’t just bad luck. 

On one level, every team has guys like this. 

The Angels have more, though, because of their desperate need for quality pitching. It has led them to pursue some players with higher injury risk but a lot of upside if healthy. Ohtani’s condition was known when he signed. Heaney and Canning (and maybe Skaggs) were likely cheaper because of medical concerns. 

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1 hour ago, VariousCrap said:

I remember someone posting an article last year that showed when the farm system is included, the Angels were in the middle of the pack.  When you looked at only the major league pitchers, the Angels were towards the top.

The reality is, TJ surgery is the new normal.  As long as the league mainly focuses on pitchers that throw 95+ mph, this trend will continue.  If the average fastball was 88-90 mph, there wouldn't be as many of these surgeries.

 

[VariousCrap]

48 minutes ago, Lou said:

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you.

It was for the response 

 

LOL...no wonder I was confused. hahahaha

[tdawg87]

LMFAO

[hangin n wangin]

Yes, I think they might.

[Angelsjunky]

They have over the last five years or so. 2015-16 was really quite unprecedented, with injuries to Shoemaker, Tropeano, Heaney, Richards, Skaggs, Meyer, not to mention Weaver's gumby arm.

 

[redoctober2002]

On 2/28/2020 at 1:26 PM, Pancake Bear said:

The Angels have more, though, because of their desperate need for quality pitching. It has led them to pursue some players with higher injury risk but a lot of upside if healthy. Ohtani’s condition was known when he signed. Heaney and Canning (and maybe Skaggs) were likely cheaper because of medical concerns. 

Wish more people were able to understand this rather than just blaming bad luck every year. 

[Hubs]

No. They really don't. They've had bad luck in the last 4-5 years, but over the past 20?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_underwent_Tommy_John_surgery

None in 2019.

Ohtani was the last after 2018. Lamb did in 2018, Middleton, and JC Ramirez also. Richards had it too, but that isn't listed here. Blake Wood has had it twice, once in 2018 with the Angels.

None in 2017.

Tropeano and Heaney had it in 2016.

None in 2015.

Skaggs had it in 2014. So did Sean Burnett.

Arrendondo did it after 2009.

Nick Adenhart had it in 2004.

There may have been other TJ's in the minors or I may have missed one or two. And I don't know if this is a complete list.

There are also other injuries that will knock a guy out for the year, but...this is not an extensive list. 12 TJ surgeries for Angels Pitchers in 20 seasons? It's just that there have been 10 in the last 7 as opposed to 2 in the previous 13 years+.

 

 

 

[nate]

The Angels have tons of pitching problems and TJ is one.