SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

[RallyMo]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

But that's no fun to suggest something and not come up with an alternative.

It's like the folks that were all about firing Sosh or trading player x in a slump. No one ever had a replacement or what the next step would be.

It's just like that!

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, fishbulb said:

All day long, dude.

It makes me think back to the first time I played metal gear solid 2 back in 2001, and I just couldn't understand why the AI would try and censor the internet. I think people struggled to understand that game because we didn't realize that we were the bad guy in the story. Truly prescient game.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, fishbulb said:

Yes, but Blarg has to object to something, so we get his silly responses.

That's not what is going on here. You keep harping on how it's all mismanaged but won't put forth how it could have been managed better, starting from day one. You can't even put forth how it should be managed from today and onward. 

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I mean at some point you have to just look at the results and it should be clear that something went wrong somewhere.

Absolutely. I think one of the problems was to secure resources for medical and first responders the administration made a decision to not push mask usage for the general public so they didn't add that to the toilet paper hoarding. And even at that resources were scarce because of panic buying.

This is a much more complex problem than following Twitter feeds and being outraged by unavoidable circumstances that are baked into our national infrastructure. 

[Brandon]

Yeah, my friend took the test as a precaution as some of her co-workers had it after the re-open. They told her about 5-7 days and it ended up being something like 16-17 days. Test came back negative, but what good is getting your test results after the quarantine period if she did have it back then when her peers were testing positive?

[tennischmp]

On 7/18/2020 at 5:00 AM, Blarg said:

Look, you've been bitching about how everything has been handled incorrectly but have never once outlined how it should have been since the beginning. A step by step, phase by phase, national plan to prevent the spread of a virus that was kept from public knowledge by China until it already had spread worldwide. 

It is so easy to complain about what has gone down but it seems you are unable to show you would have had a better plan. I know I don't have one. I still don't know that without a totalitarian iron fist this country could adopt measures that would strangle the spread of this virus. We already bankrupted millions by shutting down large sectors of the economy and civil unrest undid those gains. 

It seems we, as a nation, have to ride it out until science brings a cure. 

 

On 7/18/2020 at 5:14 AM, tennischmp said:

Funny you mention a step by step, phase by phase, national plan because the White House actually put out one but no state actually followed it and Trump never cared to enforce it, too worried about opening the states https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

Also how about tests for everyone who wants one and results that don't take 7+ days to get and then proper tracing

Also how about a unified national response, not governors doing whatever they want

Or a clear and concise message regarding masks and seriousness of the virus from the leader that doesn't contradict everything his doctors and scientists are saying

A national mask mandate would also be nice

Almost all countries aren't riding it out until science brings a cure but got the virus under control and are safely opening up the economy and schools. The US is in the minority

 

4 hours ago, Blarg said:

Please detail those effective steps that could have been immediately implemented. 

 

3 hours ago, tennischmp said:

That's funny you ask because the White House Coronavirus Task Force just recently produced an unpublished document for each state of effective steps that could be immediately implemented. There looks like there is no actual effort from the WH to implement those. 

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/exclusive-white-house-document-shows-18-states-in-coronavirus-red-zone-covid-19/

 

27 minutes ago, Blarg said:

That's not what is going on here. You keep harping on how it's all mismanaged but won't put forth how it could have been managed better, starting from day one. You can't even put forth how it should be managed from today and onward. 

Absolutely. I think one of the problems was to secure resources for medical and first responders the administration made a decision to not push mask usage for the general public so they didn't add that to the toilet paper hoarding. And even at that resources were scarce because of panic buying.

This is a much more complex problem than following Twitter feeds and being outraged by unavoidable circumstances that are baked into our national infrastructure. 

It's funny how you keep asking the same question and ignoring the answers

Btw you blame the mask usage on needing to secure resources for medical and first responders, well whose fault was it there was a shortage of PPE to begin with? Obama? 3 years into Trump's term?

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

It makes me think back to the first time I played metal gear solid 2 back in 2001, and I just couldn't understand why the AI would try and censor the internet. I think people struggled to understand that game because we didn't realize that we were the bad guy in the story. Truly prescient game.

I'd like to go back and check it out or play it again. Almost 20 years ago, but I remember being mind fucked when I finished the game.

That one and the first one were insane story wise. But even some of the mechanics.....like in the first one when you had to change your memory card and swap your controller into the other port to beat the boss because it was reading your patterns. Just wild shit no one thought to do and was ahead of its time.

[Redondo]

California woman allegedly urinated on store floor after refusing to wear mask: report

A California woman is accused of urinating in the middle of a Verizon store after police said she refused to wear a mask and then refused to leave, reports said.

The alleged incident occurred at the Galleria Boulevard store in Roseville. Employees told police three customers were asked to leave the store for not wearing masks.

“They’re calling back and advising that that female is pulling down her pants and is now urinating inside the business," a 911 dispatcher is heard telling responding officers.

Roseville Police confirmed the incident and said officers arrested the unidentified woman after finding stolen merchandise in her vehicle from a nearby Dick’s Sporting Goods store, according to the station.

Verizon spokesperson Heidi Flato said the company requires all customers to wear masks in its stores. She told KOVR "the incident wasn’t just about the company’s mask policy" but would not comment further.

[Jason]

That’s a “Karen” with bonus mental issues.

[Jason]

6 hours ago, tennischmp said:

 

 

 

 

It's funny how you keep asking the same question and ignoring the answers

Btw you blame the mask usage on needing to secure resources for medical and first responders, well whose fault was it there was a shortage of PPE to begin with? Obama? 3 years into Trump's term?

Individual hospitals, medical facilities and clinics? I bet they keep a larger stock on hand moving forward. 

[Lhalo]

9 hours ago, nate said:

Let's play a game of which countries are led by adults, and which is led by a steaming pile of shit culpable in tens of thousands of deaths...

More cases isn’t a bad thing. 

[Blarg]

8 hours ago, tennischmp said:

 

 

 

 

It's funny how you keep asking the same question and ignoring the answers

Btw you blame the mask usage on needing to secure resources for medical and first responders, well whose fault was it there was a shortage of PPE to begin with? Obama? 3 years into Trump's term?

There was no shortage of PPE that wasn't part of our infrastructure going back umpteen years. You can't store up 350 million of x,y and z that has an expiration date and expect the federal government to fit the bill every two years. This is the disingenuous part of the argument. 

Some of this falls on individual States and their lack of preparedness but you don't see our local government taking the blame, instead they pour billions into non essentials then point fingers at Washington. 

[RallyMo]

19 minutes ago, Blarg said:

There was no shortage of PPE that wasn't part of our infrastructure going back umpteen years. You can't store up 350 million of x,y and z that has an expiration date and expect the federal government to fit the bill every two years. This is the disingenuous part of the argument. 

Some of this falls on individual States and their lack of preparedness but you don't see our local government taking the blame, instead they pour billions into non essentials then point fingers at Washington. 

Local, state and federal government are to blame.

[Adam]

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, fishbulb said:

Local, state and federal government are to blame.

Agreed but hindsight is 20/20. Like Blarg said, none of our health care industry was willing to spend millions on storing extra PPE that they would have to dispose of and rebuy every couple of years. Obviously that will likely change now

[Lhalo]

The PPE supply was depleted in 2009 with the swine flu and never resupplied.

[gotbeer]

9 hours ago, Brandon said:

Yeah, my friend took the test as a precaution as some of her co-workers had it after the re-open. They told her about 5-7 days and it ended up being something like 16-17 days. Test came back negative, but what good is getting your test results after the quarantine period if she did have it back then when her peers were testing positive?

At least she was able to get a test.  After coming back from Vegas on the 4th, I thought I should get a test just in case.  Filled out all the paperwork for a place.  Never heard from them.   So if I have it, my contact list is growing by the day.

[Lhalo]

If you guys want to get tested go here.

https://www.irvineurgentcare.net/

[RallyMo]

Just now, Lhalo said:

If you guys want to get tested go here.

https://www.irvineurgentcare.net/

@Lhalo has a COVID testing speakeasy.

[gotbeer]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

There was no shortage of PPE that wasn't part of our infrastructure going back umpteen years. You can't store up 350 million of x,y and z that has an expiration date and expect the federal government to fit the bill every two years. This is the disingenuous part of the argument. 

Some of this falls on individual States and their lack of preparedness but you don't see our local government taking the blame, instead they pour billions into non essentials then point fingers at Washington. 

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

It's always going to come down to cost.  But this sure would have been nice.  JMO, but I always said from the start that the Military should have taken over this Rona response from the start.  You could have isolated people on bases away from the general population.  Justified their budget.  And kept local and state business going like normal.  

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

Bugs Bunny should have cut loose the Eastern seaboard along with Florida. 

[Blarg]

And that chart kind of blows up the EU handled this better narrative. 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

It's always going to come down to cost.  But this sure would have been nice.  JMO, but I always said from the start that the Military should have taken over this Rona response from the start.  You could have isolated people on bases away from the general population.  Justified their budget.  And kept local and state business going like normal.  

Oh yeah, internment camps where people die would really go over big with the public. 

[Lhalo]

1 hour ago, fishbulb said:

@Lhalo has a COVID testing speakeasy.

The password is "nipple."

[RallyMo]

11 hours ago, Blarg said:

That's not what is going on here. You keep harping on how it's all mismanaged but won't put forth how it could have been managed better, starting from day one. 

 

 

[Jason]

26 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

The password is "nipple."

"It's just skin Steven"