Fangraphs / pitcher lists writers high on Patrick Sandoval

[Hufflepuff]

A guy named Nick Pollack who started a baseball site called pitcherlist and a fangraphs contributor named Paul Sporer are both high on Patrick Sandoval. Both have done really well in picking breakout prospects or bounce back players. I attached the small blurb:

 

Our pitching certainly isn’t a sure thing, but it wouldn’t surprise me if our rotation performs well.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Hufflepuff
Accidental submission

[Lou]

Pollack? 

sweet 

[failos]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Pollack? 

sweet 

Racist

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Φαήλος said:

Racist

nope, that's Hofstra Billy. 

[Second Base]

The way I see it, Pat Sandoval is the sort of pitcher I would buy low on if I were a GM. Why? His fastball is trending upward, his delivery is still simplistic and he owns an absolutely devastating change up. Guys with that profile, get better over time, as they learn to add and subtract from their fastball, and spot their breaking ball.

Matthew Boyd on the others has one of the best breaking balls in all major league baseball. But since his debut, the fastball has gone from 93-95 to 90-92 and the change up still isn't developing into anything more than a show me pitch. The reason for the high ERA is because when hitters guess right on a 91 mph fastball, it's BP. And the K's are so high because it doesn't matter if they guess right on his breaking ball. You can't do much damage on a ball that breaks that far horizontally.

End result is that in 2020, Boyd is the better pitcher of the two. If the Angels got him, I think the ERA would drop down between 4.00-4.25. Sandoval would develop though. By 2021, they'd be roughly equal in value, and 2022 and beyond, Sandoval would develop into a solid #3/4 starter. 

Basically what I'm saying is that if the quality of starter the Angels are looking at is Matt Boyd, they're better off going with Sandoval. The only way I don't roll with Patrick is if they get a legitimate mid rotation starter or better.

Otherwise, Sandoval is the better long term investment.

[failos]

58 minutes ago, Lou said:

nope, that's Hofstra Billy. 

Don't know what that means but Pollack is a racist term that The Wire S2 taught me.

[Chuck]

I've been touting Sandoval for a while now and before Kluber was traded to Texas I really didn't want to part with him to acquire the former Cy Young winner.

I'm calling it, he's going to be brown Cole Hamels for the Halos.

[ettin]

Sandoval has some killer spin rate on his curve ball which is his primary strikeout tool. Also his exit velocity on both his fastball and change up are upper and lower 80's, respectively.

Like Ward on the position player side, I think Sandoval is just a short step away from amazing Angels fans!

[UndertheHalo]

brown Cole Hamels ? Sweet. 

[UndertheHalo]

Just now, ettin said:

Sandoval has some killer spin rate on his curve ball which is his primary strikeout tool. Also his exit velocity on both his fastball and change up are upper and lower 80's, respectively.

Like Ward on the position player side, I think Sandoval is just a short step away from amazing Angels fans!

From what I’ve seen the Angels appear to have no interest in giving Ward much of a shot. 

[ettin]

2 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

From what I’ve seen the Angels appear to have no interest in giving Ward much of a shot. 

Actually I am not so sure about that, they had him playing in LF and 3B primarily in 2019 plus some time at 1B and RF. Now that may be the team trying to show his versatility to other clubs but it also fits some of the Angels potential utility needs too.

We'll see, I do agree that they have not been overly enamored with him in previous seasons.

[Pancake Bear]

I really hope Sandoval isn't the pitching equivalent of Taylor Ward.

[failos]

6 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

I really hope Sandoval isn't the pitching equivalent of Taylor Ward.

He’s not. Guy showed promise despite being called up too early.

 

Taylor Ward is a miserable hitter that had to change positions only a year or so ago. 

[floplag]

This is exactly why im not high on making a crazy trade, well one of the reasons.

[hangin n wangin]

I think Pat Sandoval is going to surprise some people as soon as this year. He has some really good stuff. I’ve always loved stuff. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

Sandoval moved to the center of the rubber for his final 5ish starts last season and had about a 3.70 ERA in those games. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, Jeff Fletcher said:

Sandoval moved to the center of the rubber for his final 5ish starts last season and had about a 3.70 ERA in those games. 

I assume Doug White had precisely nothing to do with that move.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

I assume Doug White had precisely nothing to do with that move.

I would not assume that. 
 

I did a big story on White at the end of the year and the only bad thing anyone said about him was he had some communication issues, mostly early in the year. Pitchers said he did know his stuff, and he definitely helped a few of them. Bedrosian said he pretty much turned his career around with one drill. 
 

I wonder if he got fired for the same reason as Ausmus: Arte saw someone else available that he wanted. 

[tdawg87]

Well that's good to know. Everything else I've heard is that White was completely useless.

But it's easy to place that kind of blame when the pitching is so bad.

[eligrba]

And after being fired by the Angels, White was quickly scooped up by.........................................................

[Glen]

10 hours ago, Second Base said:

The way I see it, Pat Sandoval

Check out the big shot, calling him Pat.

[Jeff Fletcher]

32 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Everything else I've heard

From who?

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

From who?

People here lol

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

People here lol

Exactly.  

[tdawg87]

We're kind of stupid tbh.