Ridiculous trade proposals

[Angelsfan1984]

Just now, Bronson said:

Baseball prime is 26-30 to me. 

[Bronson]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Bonds definitely doesn’t count. He’s in his own category. 
 

Unpopular opinion but Trout isn’t even close to as good of a player as Bonds was. Even before the roids.

[Stradling]

So when are we pretending Bonds started doing roids?  We all know he did them, but I don’t really think anyone really knows when he started.  My guess is if you look at OPS+ Trout compares perfectly fine with “clean” Bonds.

[Angelsfan1984]

1 hour ago, Bronson said:

Bonds definitely doesn’t count. He’s in his own category. 
 

Unpopular opinion but Trout isn’t even close to as good of a player as Bonds was. Even before the roids.

uhh.....wasn't even close? Most categories not only was he close he was better...

Trout:

Year          G     AB    H    2b  3b  HR  RBI BB   K            HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

2019	LAA	134	470	137	27	2	45	104	110	110	120	16	11	2	.291	.438	.645	1.083
2018	LAA	140	471	147	24	4	39	79	101	122	124	10	24	2	.312	.460	.628	1.088
2017	LAA	114	402	123	25	3	33	72	92	94	90	7	22	4	.306	.442	.629	1.071
2016	LAA	159	549	173	32	5	29	100	123	116	137	11	30	7	.315	.441	.550	.991
2015	LAA	159	575	172	32	6	41	90	104	92	158	10	11	7	.299	.402	.590	.992
2014	LAA	157	602	173	39	9	36	111	115	83	184	10	16	2	.287	.377	.561	.938
2013	LAA	157	589	190	39	9	27	97	109	110	136	9	33	7	.323	.432	.557	.989
2012	LAA	139	559	182	27	8	30	83	129	67	139	6	49	5	.326	.399	.564	.963

 

 

 

Bonds:

1995	SF	144	506	149	30	7	33	104	109	120	83	5	31	10	.294	.431	.577	1.008
1994	SF	112	391	122	18	1	37	81	89	74	43	6	29	9	.312	.426	.647	1.073
1993	SF	159	539	181	38	4	46	123	129	126	79	2	29	12	.336	.458	.677	1.135
1992	PIT	140	473	147	36	5	34	103	109	127	69	5	39	8	.311	.456	.624	1.080
1991	PIT	153	510	149	28	5	25	116	95	107	73	4	43	13	.292	.410	.514	.924
1990	PIT	151	519	156	32	3	33	114	104	93	83	3	52	13	.301	.406	.565	.971
1989	PIT	159	580	144	34	6	19	58	96	93	93	1	32	10	248	.351	.426	.777
1988	PIT	144	538	152	30	5	24	58	97	72	82	2	17	11	.283	.368	.491	.859
1987	PIT	150	551	144	34	9	25	59	99	54	88	3	32	10	.261	.329	.492	.821

 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

uhh.....wasn't even close? Most categories not only was he close he was better...

Trout:

2019	LAA	134	470	137	27	2	45	104	110	110	120	16	11	2	.291	.438	.645	1.083
2018	LAA	140	471	147	24	4	39	79	101	122	124	10	24	2	.312	.460	.628	1.088
2017	LAA	114	402	123	25	3	33	72	92	94	90	7	22	4	.306	.442	.629	1.071
2016	LAA	159	549	173	32	5	29	100	123	116	137	11	30	7	.315	.441	.550	.991
2015	LAA	159	575	172	32	6	41	90	104	92	158	10	11	7	.299	.402	.590	.992
2014	LAA	157	602	173	39	9	36	111	115	83	184	10	16	2	.287	.377	.561	.938
2013	LAA	157	589	190	39	9	27	97	109	110	136	9	33	7	.323	.432	.557	.989
2012	LAA	139	559	182	27	8	30	83	129	67	139	6	49	5	.326	.399	.564	.963

 

 

 

Bonds:

1995	SF	144	506	149	30	7	33	104	109	120	83	5	31	10	.294	.431	.577	1.008
1994	SF	112	391	122	18	1	37	81	89	74	43	6	29	9	.312	.426	.647	1.073
1993	SF	159	539	181	38	4	46	123	129	126	79	2	29	12	.336	.458	.677	1.135
1992	PIT	140	473	147	36	5	34	103	109	127	69	5	39	8	.311	.456	.624	1.080
1991	PIT	153	510	149	28	5	25	116	95	107	73	4	43	13	.292	.410	.514	.924
1990	PIT	151	519	156	32	3	33	114	104	93	83	3	52	13	.301	.406	.565	.971
1989	PIT	159	580	144	34	6	19	58	96	93	93	1	32	10	248	.351	.426	.777
1988	PIT	144	538	152	30	5	24	58	97	72	82	2	17	11	.283	.368	.491	.859
1987	PIT	150	551	144	34	9	25	59	99	54	88	3	32	10	.261	.329	.492	.821

 

No idea 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Absolutely.

Specially coming off a WS win two years ago. To me, the Angels need to hold on to Adell and Marsh. Their window to win is 2021-2024. Not 2020.

No, the window is now.
There is zero reason for it not to be.  Everything we need is out there and the kids are ready to contribute or close enough that its time to make the move into contention. 
 

[Bronson]

2 minutes ago, RBM said:

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/kroichick/article/Book-traces-Bonds-steroids-use-to-McGwire-Sosa-2540030.php

Bonds began using steroids prior to the 1999 season, his age 34 season.

And yes if you compare their OPS in their 20's Trout is clearly the better hitter.

Trout age 22 through 27 - .939/.991/.991/1.071/1.088/1.083

Bonds age 22 through 27 - .821/859/.777/.970/.924/1.080

So @Bronson got this one terribly wrong.

 

I didn’t say better hitter. I said better player.

[Lou]

I think it's ridiculous for anyone other than Bonds (and his supplier) to be sure they know exactly when he started using steroids. 

[winhalos]

13 hours ago, TroutCron said:

Adell, Marsh and Fletcher should all be untouchable.Marsh could very well be better than Adell, those two with Trout is an incredible all around outfield. Fletcher is just a solid player who brings so many intangibles to the club. The Angels can’t afford Bryant. I would love to see what it would take to acquire Caratini. 

This right here. After the AFL, it seems Marsh could surpass Adell (less the power). Marsh might be ready 2021. I'd see what I could get for Adell now. 

[Bronson]

52 minutes ago, RBM said:

Got it. I think it's obvious Trout is better than Bonds through age 27. What is your case for Bonds being a better player? Is he a better outfielder than Mike Trout? No.

What is your case? I'd like to hear it.

Okay for one he WAS a better outfielder. How many gold gloves does Trout have? Bonds has 8. He’s had a negative dwar like 2 or 3 times. Bonds had never had a negative dwar in his 21-28 seasons. So I would say Bonds is a better defender. Bonds was faster on the bases and had way more stolen bases then Trout had during the same age years and Bonds had a much stronger throwing arm. 
 

So Trout beats him out in hitting (not by that much) and bonds beats him in everything else. Yeah I think that makes Bonds a better player.

[Bronson]

I know this doesn’t mean much but I’m not the only person who thinks this and these are from non biased people.

 

 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, winhalos said:

This right here. After the AFL, it seems Marsh could surpass Adell (less the power). Marsh might be ready 2021. I'd see what I could get for Adell now. 

I think you may be confusing more ready, with better.
Right now, Marsh might be the better of the two and be the better chance to open '20 in RF, BUT... i doubt we have that same conversation in lets say 2 years.
IF we even consider trading either of them, it needs to be for a no brainer that also makes financial sense., such as a controllable young amazing catcher 

[Angelsfan1984]

10 minutes ago, Bronson said:

Okay for one he WAS a better outfielder. How many gold gloves does Trout have? Bonds has 8. He’s had a negative dwar like 2 or 3 times. Bonds had never had a negative dwar in his 21-28 seasons. So I would say Bonds is a better defender. Bonds was faster on the bases and had way more stolen bases then Trout had during the same age years and Bonds had a much stronger throwing arm. 
 

So Trout beats him out in hitting (not by that much) and bonds beats him in everything else. Yeah I think that makes Bonds a better player.

Bonds played in an era where Gold glove wasn't specific to his position. Top 3 outfielders won gold gloves, so that point is irrelevant.

[Stradling]

How was Bonds at CF?

[T.G.]

Is it cherry picking season already?

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

Nobody is going to send a legit #2 in exchange for Fletcher.

 

you may have forgotten this, but jerry dipoto is still employed by a major league team.

[Tank]

one of my favorite barry bonds moments was watching him wave his glove in futility as troy glaus' double sailed past him, giving the angels the lead (and win) in game six.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, Bronson said:

Okay for one he WAS a better outfielder. How many gold gloves does Trout have? Bonds has 8. He’s had a negative dwar like 2 or 3 times. Bonds had never had a negative dwar in his 21-28 seasons. So I would say Bonds is a better defender. Bonds was faster on the bases and had way more stolen bases then Trout had during the same age years and Bonds had a much stronger throwing arm. 

Stole more bases, yes.... but the era plays a huge role in that.

Who steals anymore?

Where are the Vince colemans now?

 

[Angelsfan1984]

4 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Stole more bases, yes.... but the era plays a huge role in that.

Who steals anymore?

Where are the Vince colemans now?

 

Sitting at applebees yelling about how back in their day you didn't have to ask for a straw at a restaurant...

[txtraveler60]

New here...Why so much talk about Bonds? Back to crazy trades. Have not read through the whole thread, but think it is with it to trade Adell, Cozart (cash) and possible additional player-s and draft pick for Betts as long as long as Betts extends. Consider the line up? Would there be a better line up in baseball? Then add Cole and possibly Wheeler ....Have not seen it here, but do not forget Betts is also a gold glove.....His age lines up with Trouts which is also important.....Adell might take two more years. I am not willing to wait.....

[T.G.]

7 minutes ago, txtraveler60 said:

New here...Why so much talk about Bonds? Back to crazy trades. Have not read through the whole thread, but think it is with it to trade Adell, Cozart (cash) and possible additional player-s and draft pick for Betts as long as long as Betts extends. Consider the line up? Would there be a better line up in baseball? Then add Cole and possibly Wheeler ....Have not seen it here, but do not forget Betts is also a gold glove.....His age lines up with Trouts which is also important.....Adell might take two more years. I am not willing to wait.....

Welcome to AW. 

Now go make us all samiches.

[ten ocho recon scout]

48 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Sitting at applebees yelling about how back in their day you didn't have to ask for a straw at a restaurant...

Willie McGee can spend an hour talking about paper straws.

[T.G.]

7 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Willie McGee can spend an hour talking about paper straws.

I hate paper straws. 

Don't get me started on straws.

Too late...

So... We're at a restaurant Sunday and we ask for straws... our server brings two over, holding them with her dirty hands and sticks them right into our drinks.  I wanted to take the straws and jam them into her eye sockets. 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by True Grich

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I hate paper straws. 

Don't get me started on straws.

Too late...

So... We're at a restaurant Sunday and we ask for straws... our server brings two over, holding them with her dirty hands and sticks them right into our drinks.  I wanted to take the straws and jam them into her eye sockets. 

 

Have at it, libs.

[txtraveler60]

Fletcher 3B .290 R

LaStella 2B .295 L

Betts RF .295 R

Trout CF .291 R

Ohtani RF .295 L

Pujols ..244 R

Goodwin .262 L

Simmons .264 R

Grandal .253 Switch

(Upton switches with Pujols and Goodwin when needed.)