Are the Angels a dysfunctional organization?

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

They lost a season series to dead last Baltimore and a home set against Detroit who they’ve owned for years.  Why not?

Same old tortoise/hare junk that has made them finish one game below 500 for two seasons in a row.  Pathetic.

[Angelsjunky]

17 hours ago, Dochalo said:

don't even think he gets that much.  He'll be 32 in october and has a year of misery on his docket.  I think he goes year to year for the rest of his career.  Maybe 1/8 next year with an option.  

So the Angels could pay the $2M option and re-sign him for $8M, paying $10M rather than $14M? I'd consider that.

[UndertheHalo]

The Angels don’t need to give a roster spot to Kole Calhoun.  And they don’t need to give 14 million or 10 million or 2 million.  There’s no reason to keep him around next year.  There was hardly any reason to keep him around today. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

5 hours ago, JoJo26 said:

That was a great trade....however...should'd traded FUBAR and kept Jean Segura years ago...but Arte loved little Erick....

Pretty sure KC would have wanted Segura over Aybar when they traded Grienke...

[JoJo26]

On 7/31/2019 at 10:33 PM, ten ocho recon scout said:

Pretty sure KC would have wanted Segura over Aybar when they traded Grienke...

Too bad the trade was with Milwaukee...

[TroutAdell]

There comes a time when being mediocre is a huge negative. It is hard to draft quality when you pick in the middle of the draft year after year. Signing Wilson, Pujols and especially Hamilton cost numerous high draft. The Wells trade was horrendous. Eppler way overpaying for Harvey, Cahill and Upton has set back the organization even more. Of the four free agents signed last fall/winter only  Cahill remains because he can pitch multiple innings out of the pen. The Angels are always near the top of the AL in homers allowed playing in a ballpark that is home  run neutral. All this points to poor management. 

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

Eppler way overpaying for Harvey, Cahill and Upton has set back the organization even more.  

How so? None of those guys cost a draft pick and Harvey and Cahill are gone after the season.

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

It is hard to draft quality when you pick in the middle of the draft year after year. Signing Wilson, Pujols and especially Hamilton cost numerous high draft.

Which high picks did they cost us? 

[Stradling]

17 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

There comes a time when being mediocre is a huge negative. It is hard to draft quality when you pick in the middle of the draft year after year. Signing Wilson, Pujols and especially Hamilton cost numerous high draft. The Wells trade was horrendous. Eppler way overpaying for Harvey, Cahill and Upton has set back the organization even more. Of the four free agents signed last fall/winter only  Cahill remains because he can pitch multiple innings out of the pen. The Angels are always near the top of the AL in homers allowed playing in a ballpark that is home  run neutral. All this points to poor management. 

Why would you say Upton is overpaid?  Because he has been hurt this year?  

[tdawg87]

Just now, Stradling said:

Why would you say Upton is overpaid?  Because he has been hurt this year?  

And away we go

[TroutAdell]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

How so? None of those guys cost a draft pick and Harvey and Cahill are gone after the season.

Three of the four have already been DFA’d! No other teams were going to give Harvey, Allen or Cahill the amount of money that the Angels gave them. Upton received 5/125 when most other thirty something OF settled for one year contracts. The three pitchers were an over reach. This doesn’t count Justin Bour another bust. My point is that Eppler had a really poor offseason which the Angels can’t afford to repeat. 

[TroutAdell]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Why would you say Upton is overpaid?  Because he has been hurt this year?  

Relative to other thirty-something OF signed in the offseason. Hopefully Upton can return to his norm next season. 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

Three of the four have already been DFA’d! No other teams were going to give Harvey, Allen or Cahill the amount of money that the Angels gave them. Upton received 5/125 when most other thirty something OF settled for one year contracts. The three pitchers were an over reach. This doesn’t count Justin Bour another bust. My point is that Eppler had a really poor offseason which the Angels can’t afford to repeat. 

Upton received 5 years and $105 million.  They basically gave him an extra year, but lowered his annual salary.  He was considered pretty comparable to JD Martinez because he was better with the glove as Martinez and a better baserunner.  

Bour got $2.5 million, go throughout all of baseball and their are a ton of busts.  

Yea, Eppler fucked up, for a year.  In October all of his fuck ups from 2019 are off the books.  

[mmc]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/the-10-most-expensive-one-year-free-agent-starters.html

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/the-ten-most-expensive-one-year-free-agent-relievers.html

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, mymerlincat said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/the-10-most-expensive-one-year-free-agent-starters.html

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/the-ten-most-expensive-one-year-free-agent-relievers.html

Meanwhile their predictions ...  https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/mlb-free-agent-predictions-2019.html

Matt Harvey – Reds.  Two years, $22MM.  
Trevor Cahill – Blue Jays.  Two years, $22MM.
Cody Allen – Braves.  Two years, $16MM.

Also here's FG's -- https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-top-50-free-agents/

Edited August 2, 2019 by Inside Pitch

[Docwaukee]

13 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Meanwhile their predictions ...  https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/mlb-free-agent-predictions-2019.html

Matt Harvey – Reds.  Two years, $22MM.  
Trevor Cahill – Blue Jays.  Two years, $22MM.
Cody Allen – Braves.  Two years, $16MM.

Also here's FG's -- https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-top-50-free-agents/

but narratives.  

[Puget Sound Angel]

How did the Mariners not make this list?

[Stradling]

I like that we have a new guy that creates more narratives.  Does he pay the Canadian a royalty for every bad narrative he authors?

[Tank]

6 hours ago, Stradling said:

Why would you say Upton is overpaid?  Because he has been hurt this year?  

 

6 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

And away we go

Upton is just setting himself up to be comeback player of the year next year.

[ten ocho recon scout]

23 hours ago, JoJo26 said:

Too bad the trade was with Milwaukee...

Doh. Good call. Im getting dumber with old age (and my starting point wasnt the best, to be honest).

Point stands though. Mill or anyone else was targetting prospects, not vets.

And it would have been dumb on our end to trade a a vet starter in a playoff and debut a rookie to replace him.