Athletics acquire Homer Bailey

[floplag]

1 hour ago, #WeNasty said:

Right.  But since it takes two and prices seem to go up in the days leading up to the deadline why would a selling team trade a guy before he has max value?  Especially when we arguably aren’t looking for a guy like Bailey but probably someone better. 

Again I wasnt suggesting Bailey.... but the why is to improve the changes of the deadline being relevant.  2-3 starts from a better starter versus an opener could be significant to the deadline decision.  
It doesnt matter im certain we will do as you suggest, but I would just like to see them be more aggressive and try to determine the path themselves over waiting for it to come to them.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

Again I wasnt suggesting Bailey.... but the why is to improve the changes of the deadline being relevant.  2-3 starts from a better starter versus an opener could be significant to the deadline decision.  
It doesnt matter im certain we will do as you suggest, but I would just like to see them be more aggressive and try to determine the path themselves over waiting for it to come to them.

My point is that since we are talking about the Angels buying it isn’t up to the Angels, it is up to the team selling the players.  Why would they trade valuable players now, when if they wait for more of a bidding war they will get a better return?  If you were the GM of the Angels and you were going to trade assets because we were sellers, would you sell now or when their value is at its peak?  

[Vegas Halo Fan]

17 hours ago, Blarg said:

He hasn't been the A's General manager for the last 4 years. David Forst took over a year after Beane's genius trade of Cespedes bit him in the ass and the A's finished the next season in last place.

I was out driving and listening to sports radio when the news of the A's trade for Jon Lester broke. The trade bothered me until I heard what Oakland gave up - the heart and soul of the club at the time. As soon as I heard that Cespedes was included in the deal, I knew that they had blown it.

[Blarg]

That year the pitching was doing fine, they had already brought in Samardzija. The offense was always one injury away from collapsing. Beane did the same as IL Cespedes for the season, crippling his offense. It's not as though Cespedes was having a Trout type career year, he was a 115 OPS+ hitter but he was replaced by Gentry and Gomes, two guys that couldn't hit water if they fell off the bay bridge. 

[Lou]

Bailey tonight:

2 IP

9 ER

8 H

3 BB

3 HR

[PattyD22]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

Bailey tonight:

2 IP

9 ER

8 H

3 BB

3 HR

Holy Smokes.  Those are very Harvey/Cahill-esque.  

Exactly as advertised by many on this thread.

[mulwin444]

[Taylor]

On 7/14/2019 at 11:26 AM, floplag said:

Either way i give them credit for acting instead of waiting.   

Yep, definitely had an immediate payoff for them.

[totdprods]

Bailey was also pretty solid in his first Oakland start btw.

It was against Seattle. So, he was good against a bad team, and bad against a good team. About what you’d expect. 

[floplag]

5 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Yep, definitely had an immediate payoff for them.

Did you think he would win them all or something?  He got obliterated by Cole, so did we, your point? 

[Stradling]

Personally I give them credit for having the same outcome we had but at the cost of acquiring him.  

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, floplag said:

Did you think he would win them all or something?  He got obliterated by Cole, so did we, your point? 

I didn't know that Cole was now hitting for the Astros.

[Lou]

"making an effort" is the new "results-oriented business" 

[tdawg87]

Homo Gayley

[Jay]

6 hours ago, Stradling said:

Personally I give them credit for having the same outcome we had but at the cost of acquiring him.  

Not sure we should be laughing at other teams for their outcome vs. cost...

 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Not sure we should be laughing at other teams for their outcome vs. cost...

 

I’ll laugh at other teams trade acquisitions 

[disarcina]

Homer Bailey may still be getting part of his current contract paid by the Reds and maybe even the Dodgers.

The Dodgers 'obtained' Bailey in the salary dump trade that sent Puig and Matt Kemp to Cincinnati and got Bailey in return.

The Dodgers were so impressed with Bailey's pitching skills, as literally part of the trade they let it be known they he would be DFA'd right away and the whole purpose of the trade was to rid themselves of the contracts of Puig and Kemp.  Bailey went to ST with some team, not sure who -- maybe KC -- and wound up with KC who paid him the minimum this year before trading him to Oakland.   Not sure, but the Bailey trade to LA probably included the Dodgers picking up at least half of his current contract if not more.

Billy Beane has made a lot of smart moves over the years at deadline time -- but I'm thinking this won't be one of them.

I thought Bailey at KC was where he could do the most good at this point -- eating some innings for a team who's main stretch run goal will be NOT to lose 100 games.

Not sure where he fits in with an A's team that has been playing well of late and has a player (3B Chapman) who other teams are going to track for the time when the A's have to do what they do with all the good young players their system develops -- trade him as he nears the end of his club control time.

[totdprods]

Homer Bailey so far with Oakland:

• 6 IP, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K vs. Seattle (Oakland victory)
• 2 IP, 9 ER, 3 BB, 2 K vs. Houston (Oakland loss)
• 6.2 IP, 3 ER, 1 BB, 7 K vs. Texas (Oakland victory)
• 6 IP, 2 ER, 3 BB, 5 K vs. Milwaukee (Oakland victory)
• 4.2 IP, 7 ER, BB, 0 K vs. Chicago Cubs (Oakland loss)
• 7 IP, 0 ER, BB, 7 K vs. San Francisco (Oakland victory)

So four quality starts that led to four wins, and two absolute disasters.

Edited August 15, 2019 by totdprods

[totdprods]

2.25 ERA in last 6 starts/36 IP for Bailey. 

Six walks, 34 strikeouts, 29 hits allowed in that time. 

I wouldn’t be upset if the Angels considered him, following another SP acquisition or two, if the expectation was he’d hold down #5 for a couple mil.

Edited September 13, 2019 by totdprods

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

2.25 ERA in last 6 starts/36 IP for Bailey. 

Six walks, 34 strikeouts, 29 hits allowed in that time. 

I wouldn’t be upset if the Angels considered him, following another SP acquisition or two, if the expectation was he’d hold down #5 for a couple mil.

The A's apparently have some ability to reduce a player's suckage. I would not expect the same results if the Angels signed him. 

[totdprods]

13 minutes ago, eligrba said:

The A's apparently have some ability to reduce a player's suckage. I would not expect the same results if the Angels signed him. 

Ballpark and infield defense/positioning.

Their guys are always right where the ball is hit, it seems.

[mulwin444]

He's basically the same player they got from KC:

At one point prior to his trade, he had 13.2 scoreless inning in back-to-back starts then proceeded to give up 8 ER in his next 15.1.  He'll throw 7 shutout inning (April 13) and then give up 5 ER in 1.2 IP (May 22)...it's who he is.  If he can be had super-cheap next year and we have no other options...then sure, why not, I guess.

[Docwaukee]

no thanks.  

[totdprods]

42 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

He's basically the same player they got from KC:

At one point prior to his trade, he had 13.2 scoreless inning in back-to-back starts then proceeded to give up 8 ER in his next 15.1.  He'll throw 7 shutout inning (April 13) and then give up 5 ER in 1.2 IP (May 22)...it's who he is.  If he can be had super-cheap next year and we have no other options...then sure, why not, I guess.

Yup. He’s basically Barria but older, more expensive, and a little more able to scrape out an extra inning or two per appearance.

To clarify, my interest in signing him would be after two better arms (or a top arm and bat) were added, and he was available on something akin to the Miley/Gio deals last year. Talking $2-3m. 

[Stradling]

As an insurance policy type of signing?  Sure, why not.  Maybe one year $2.5 million.  My guess is he will fill out someone’s rotation for about $5 million however.