On the bright side...

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, DMVol said:

Tough crowd....he tried hard, spent a lot of money..

 

Great owner -- but the lack of success is real and the mistakes were many.   You could say the same thing about Arte.   I didn't respond to whether or not he tried or anything other than the reality that those teams rarely won.  

Edited July 22, 2018 by Inside Pitch

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

Oh it can always and has been worse dude. Off the top of my head, 1980 comes to mind.

Yep, still the worst season in franchise history, percentage wise

Amazing that they have never, eeeveer lost 100 games.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Yep, still the worst season in franchise history, percentage wise

Amazing that they have never, eeeveer lost 100 games.

Give them time.

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

But rarely did. 

Gene wanted to win so bad, that the farm system never truly fully developed.

The 1962 team is still the gold standard for expansion era teams.

86 wins in year two, when none of the other three 1961-1962 expansion teams reached .500 for a season until the 1969 Miracle Mets, and the Halos for good measure had two other +.500 seasons before 1969.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

I keep thinking my toenail fungus won't be coming back too...

I remember shrugging, and going "well, you cant get herpes twice." 

Then i got it on my lips.

It felt like the donnie moore game.

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

Great owner -- but the lack of success is real and the mistakes were many.   You could say the same thing about Arte.   I didn't respond to whether or not he tried or anything other than the reality that those teams rarely won.  

Spending and spending wisely are definitely not necessarily the same....Autry lost more than he won for sure but maybe half of his tenure was before free agency....totally different era, you couldn’t just spend your way in to contention....

[AngelsLakersFan]

52 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I remember shrugging, and going "well, you cant get herpes twice." 

Then i got it on my lips.

It felt like the donnie moore game.

You must've spent too much time hanging out with Napoli

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Gene wanted to win so bad, that the farm system never truly fully developed.

The 1962 team is still the gold standard for expansion era teams.

86 wins in year two, when none of the other three 1961-1962 expansion teams reached .500 for a season until the 1969 Miracle Mets, and the Halos for good measure had two other +.500 seasons before 1969.

^^^ History 101 for a board full of millennials (or younger).....

[Lou]

1 hour ago, DMVol said:

They were painful, for sure....but it’s a relative thing....I’ll take the pain of being on the cusp of the World Series....far better than figuring out who to sell at the All Stat break.....As for Autry, he and Arte weren’t/aren’t perfect but they were willing to spend to try to win (with a few exceptions)....I can’t forgive Jackie Autry and Disney (with a few exceptions and extenuating circumstances) for refusing to....

1. Disney won a World Series

2. 1986 was 1,000 times more painful than this year

3. Autry bought plenty of players

4. George Steinbrenner says hello 

[Dick B Back]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Give them time.

As bad as the 2018 Angels are, I don’t expect 95 losses.

[DMVol]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

1. Disney won a World Series

2. 1986 was 1,000 times more painful than this year

3. Autry bought plenty of players

4. George Steinbrenner says hello 

1. I specifically said “early Disney” in my first post....Stoney got them to open the wallet late and it paid off....

2.  Different perspective, I guess.....it hurt but damn man, at least we were there....5th place sucks...

3.  True....he spent unwisely at times....

4.  They both spent unwisely at times....

 

[Puget Sound Angel]

1971-1978, the wilderness years.

[Farmbuildingfan]

Remember "Autry emptied his saddlebags" for Baylor Rudy, and Grich in 1977.

The Angels focus in the Autry days was to " Win one for the cowboy, which meant trading the best prospects and ignoring the future to" win now" before Autry passed on.

The philosophy did not work

I fear Moreno has the same philosophy.

[DMVol]

13 minutes ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

Remember "Autry emptied his saddlebags" for Baylor Rudy, and Grich in 1977....

Rudi was a bust....Grich and Baylor were good signings....Baylor won an MVP....

[Second Base]

The positives....

1. Higher draft picks. 

2. More desperation from Arte to build a winner, which means more money spent. 

3. Our farm is having a great year, so lots of prospects on the horizon. 

4. Earlier nights for many of us who turn the game off after the 6th inning when we're down by five runs. 

[Revad]

15 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

The positives....

1. Higher draft picks. 

2. More desperation from Arte to build a winner, which means more money spent. 

3. Our farm is having a great year, so lots of prospects on the horizon. 

4. Earlier nights for many of us who turn the game off after the 6th inning when we're down by five runs. 

#4:  Unless we turn on another game to watch out of desperation and get our hopes dashed multiple times in one day.  

#1:  Eppler has been positioning Scotty, you of all of us know that.  He tossed some reasonable dice this year- could have worked out- but next year looks better for sure.  It can’t be all about Trout but he’s got some choices and I’m excited to see what he does.  I hope Arte gives him another 3 years to make them.

#5:  Wherez Kate Upton?

[halonatic13]

9 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

There are a lot of youngsters on AW that have not lived through the real pain of being an Angels fan.

Thanks for compliment "Youngsters".  But I'm 40 years young.  I must have blocked those years out.  Been a fan since 86.

[Revad]

2 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

Thanks for compliment "Youngers".  But I'm 40 years young.  I must have blocked those years out.  Been a fan since 86.

We’re all in this together, but I have to say 40 seems young when you’re 40 but 60 seems old when you’re 60.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

Remember "Autry emptied his saddlebags" for Baylor Rudy, and Grich in 1977.

The Angels focus in the Autry days was to " Win one for the cowboy, which meant trading the best prospects and ignoring the future to" win now" before Autry passed on.

The philosophy did not work

I fear Moreno has the same philosophy.

For no apparent reason.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

You must've spent too much time hanging out with Napoli

I wish. I got it from Mathis.

So did some others. Thats why hes kept his job so long.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

Remember "Autry emptied his saddlebags" for Baylor Rudy, and Grich in 1977.

The Angels focus in the Autry days was to " Win one for the cowboy, which meant trading the best prospects and ignoring the future to" win now" before Autry passed on.

The philosophy did not work

I fear Moreno has the same philosophy.

Out of curiosity, because it was before my time, but were there any guys we traded off who became good players somewhere else back then?

[DMVol]

2 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Out of curiosity, because it was before my time, but were there any guys we traded off who became good players somewhere else back then?

Carney Lansford to the BoSox.....

[Stradling]

15 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Out of curiosity, because it was before my time, but were there any guys we traded off who became good players somewhere else back then?

Lansford, Landreaux, Brunansky, Bichette.  

[GrittyVeterans]

1 hour ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

Remember "Autry emptied his saddlebags" for Baylor Rudy, and Grich in 1977.

The Angels focus in the Autry days was to " Win one for the cowboy, which meant trading the best prospects and ignoring the future to" win now" before Autry passed on.

The philosophy did not work

I fear Moreno has the same philosophy.

It was before my time, but wasn't Grich one of the better players in franchise history? 124 OPS+ as an Angel, 35 WAR in 10 seasons...that seems pretty good to me

[DMVol]

21 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

It was before my time, but wasn't Grich one of the better players in franchise history? 124 OPS+ as an Angel, 35 WAR in 10 seasons...that seems pretty good to me

He was.....And Baylor won an MVP.....You can quibble with some of what Autry did but signing those two guys the first year of the Free Agent era (1977) was wise...