Korean War Over?

[Taylor]

Although I agree that Dems would be praising Obama if he were in office when this happened, is there any evidence that Trump has anything to do with this? Asking for a friend.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Although I agree that Dems would be praising Obama if he were in office when this happened, is there any evidence that Trump has anything to do with this? Asking for a friend.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD

Apparently South Korea's leaders think so. The sounds of libs' heads exploding will be deafening If he wins a Nobel Peace Prize 

[UndertheHalo]

Give him the peace prize.  They gave Obama one and he proceeded to bomb the f*ck out of the Middle East and Afghanistan and Africa. 

I think Trump has simply continued previous US policy.  He didn’t do anything to stand in the way of where were are now.  But i don’t think he did anything particularly remarkable either.  It’s good that he agreed to meet with Kim Jong Un. I think that the NK supposed change in posture isn’t necessarily heavily related to that though.  Obviously it didn’t hurt as I said.  This is either another NK game as we’ve seen several times before.  Or it’s a legitimate different path that the NK have decided to take likely for many reasons. Blarg I think highlighted those best.   Time will tell which it is. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Taylor]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD

Apparently South Korea's leaders think so. The sounds of libs' heads exploding will be deafening If he wins a Nobel Peace Prize 

That's crazy. Wow.

[Jason]

22 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Give him the peace prize.  They gave Obama one and he proceeded to bomb the f*ck out of the Middle East and Afghanistan and Africa. 

I think Trump has simply continued previous US policy.  He didn’t do anything to stand in the way of where were are now.  But i don’t think he did anything particularly remarkable either.  It’s good that he agreed to meet with Kim Jong Un. I think that the NK supposed change in posture isn’t necessarily heavily related to that though.  Obviously it didn’t hurt as I said.  This is either another NK game as we’ve seen several times before.  Or it’s a legitimate different path that the NK have decided to take likely for many reasons. Blarg I think highlighted those best.   Time will tell which it is. 

I agree with your thoughts here but Trump's approach to North Korea hasn't even been close to any previous administration's. He flat out threatened them and maybe they took him seriously. I also think there is more pressure on China and their relationship to them. As for the Nobel Peace Prize, it's a joke anyways

[UndertheHalo]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

I agree with your thoughts here but Trump's approach to North Korea hasn't even been close to any previous administration's. He flat out threatened them and maybe they took him seriously. I also think there is more pressure on China and their relationship to them. As for the Nobel Peace Prize, it's a joke anyways

You’re right that he made some sabre rattling noise.  But in real practical terms the actual policy of his administration was basically the same as previous administrations.  I can’t be certain of course, but I doubt that the North Koreans did not anticipate bellicose rhetoric from Donald Trump.  I also sincerely doubt they were intimidated by some comments and tweets.  After all, immediately after his comments/tweets they did execute their most provacative ballistic missile tests.  Multiple times.  They also proceeded with the detonation of their to date most powerful nuclear weapon. So, I’m not really convinced that they cared about his comments.  

Previous administrations have flexed military muscle by having excercises.  Previous administrations have flown bombers and such about.  As I said, this is all the same stuff.  

And yes, among the nobel prizes.  The peace one has become sort of a joke.  Did they take away the one for that lady in Burma ? Talk about a person who has failed to live up to the ideal. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[arch stanton]

When Carter hosted the Camp David Accords it was Sadat and Begin who got the Peace Prize. I would expect the same with the Korean leaders 

[Rico]

Which tweet makes anyone think he is deserving of the peace prize?  Is it this one?

 

[Jason]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Which tweet makes anyone think he is deserving of the peace prize?  Is it this one?

 

That will go down as one of his classics

[Lhalo]

What did Obama do for the Nobel? I forget.

[UndertheHalo]

14 minutes ago, LHalo said:

What did Obama do for the Nobel? I forget.

Withdrew troops from Iraq.  I think it was also the rhetoric.  He gave that “speech to the Islamic world” in Cairo. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[floplag]

33 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Withdrew troops from Iraq.  I think it was also the rhetoric.  He gave that “speech to the Islamic world” in Cairo. 

so... nothing, got it.  lol 

[Tank]

i'm trying to figure out what trumpy did in all of this. it's not like he sat down and brought both sides to the table. unless he was working behind the scenes on making this meeting happen, all he's really done is tell us he's planning to meet with short round in june. he doesn't seem like the kind that wouldn't beat his own drum on something this huge.

[Taylor]

Trump is playing the long con. In public, he's an obnoxious oaf. Behind the scenes, he's ushering world peace. By 2019 he'll solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Blarg]

8 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Withdrew troops from Iraq.  I think it was also the rhetoric.  He gave that “speech to the Islamic world” in Cairo. 

So that is what sparked Arab Spring.

Thanks Obama. 

[Lhalo]

6 hours ago, Taylor said:

Trump is playing the long con. In public, he's an obnoxious oaf. Behind the scenes, he's ushering world peace. By 2019 he'll solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

He’s going to quit funding/arming Israel? Count me in.

[fan_since79]

breaking on Twitter, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.

North Korea has released all U.S. detainees at the request of President Trump.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/991758008068734976

[Thomas]

On 4/27/2018 at 1:22 PM, Tank said:

2. this is all an elaborate ruse to get the US to leave the peninsula, act like everything's cool with the south, and then bam! suddenly invade the south because they were a wolf in sheep's clothing all along.

I don't think it's a ruse but it's certainly their goal. But more importantly it's China's goal. And probably to a much lesser extent Russia's. China may be offering either a very nice carrot to NK or threatening with a big stick or some combination of the two. Certainly it isn't hard to imagine that China would much rather NK also stopped their nuclear testing. I'd imagine if the US pulls out of the peninsula that it will be openly stated that any incursion below the 38th parallel will be considered an act of war and nuclear options will be fully utilized.

16 hours ago, Tank said:

i'm trying to figure out what trumpy did in all of this. it's not like he sat down and brought both sides to the table. unless he was working behind the scenes on making this meeting happen, all he's really done is tell us he's planning to meet with short round in june. he doesn't seem like the kind that wouldn't beat his own drum on something this huge.

It's hard to determine how these events happen in the best of times. With Trump, who knows. But 95% of diplomacy happens behind the scenes. Everything else which we see is just political theater. Certainly Trump's tweets are meaningless in terms of determining the truth. With it being fair to say that Trump may not have same "American" interests as his predecessors things are going to be unpredictable. I'm not saying that China secretly promised Trump 5 billion in foreign accounts if he rubber stamped this. But I'm not not saying that either. This change in leadership allegiances may result in unprecedented occurrences.  It's too early to speculate if the outcome of this being will be good or bad overall.

[Spirit]

On 5/1/2018 at 4:27 PM, LHalo said:

What did Obama do for the Nobel? I forget.

 

He was born half black and wasn't given the name George W. Bush.

 

 

[Jason]

[Taylor]

Thanks, Obama!

[Tank]

effin' libtard court!

[Lhalo]

North Korea Begins Dismantling Key Facilities at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station

https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/

[Jason]

23 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

North Korea Begins Dismantling Key Facilities at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station

https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/

Trump has his share of issues along with stupid shit he says but it's funny that the left will not acknowledge when he can accomplish some good things like this. 

[Spirit]

1 hour ago, Lhalo said:

North Korea Begins Dismantling Key Facilities at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station

https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/

 

Red ... errrr ... @MuellerTime and @nate were just talking about this in the Trumped thread.