A's are sellers: Nats acquire Doolittle and Madson

[Lou]

Finishing 20+ games out isn't lemonade. Also, they have finished in last place the past 2 seasons and are in last place now.

Don't let yourself fall into the poor Billy Beane bs. He had an opportunity to go to Boston.  He chose to stay in his situation. The A's are owned by the Wolff family, who have a net worth FIVE times higher than Arte. (but they sure do enjoy that revenue sharing money). Lack of money isn't the problem in Oakland many people seem to think it is. It's having owners that refuse to pay their good players enough to stay in Oakland. 

 

[Blarg]

Is there an echo is in here?

[Angel Oracle]

13 minutes ago, Lou said:

Finishing 20+ games out isn't lemonade. Also, they have finished in last place the past 2 seasons and are in last place now.

Don't let yourself fall into the poor Billy Beane bs. He had an opportunity to go to Boston.  He chose to stay in his situation. The A's are owned by the Wolff family, who have a net worth FIVE times higher than Arte. (but they sure do enjoy that revenue sharing money). Lack of money isn't the problem in Oakland many people seem to think it is. It's having owners that refuse to pay their good players enough to stay in Oakland. 

 

Hence the banners at A'th games that say amongst other things.....Slumlord Billionaire

Although, isn't Wulff no longer the majority owner?

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Hence the banners at A'th games that say amongst other things.....Slumlord Billionaire

Although, isn't Wulff no longer the majority owner?

My bad, that should have read Lewis family. 

[Angel Oracle]

No prob, both Wulff and the Lewis family are a joke to MLB.

[fan_since79]

3 hours ago, disarcina said:

Just watch -- Ryan Madsen will get the SAVE for all three games of the upcoming series that starts Tuesday.

If Madsen makes one pitch in a game during this series he will have pitched more for a team (Washington Nats) , a team he would have been on for less than a week, actually about three days -- than during his entire multi-year, multi-million dollar contact with the Halos.

I'm thinking -- did Madsen even do a bull pen session for us before he went down with an injury.

GEEZ.

I don't believe Madson did a bullpen session with us, as Burnett did.

Those are career killers around these parts. At least Madson escaped to pitch another day.

 

[Homebrewer]

3 hours ago, Blarg said:

The A's finished last in their division the two previous seasons and currently last this season.

The Angels could do that and their fans and FO would STILL insist that they are "contenders"

[Angel Oracle]

Still so frustrating that Madson contributed about as much to the Halos' cause, as Mark Madsen did.

[Troll Daddy]

1 hour ago, Homebrewer said:

The Angels could do that and their fans and FO would STILL insist that they are "contenders"

When you have over $200M invested into a season and 67 games left to play while being 3.5 games back ... it's best to wait it out a little longer before you surrender. 

Yea it looks bleak but wtf ... I'm sure Trout isn't ready to tuck his balls between his legs just yet

[eligrba]

Success does not wait.....make the moves now while the time is right to maximize the return.  Anyone fully understanding what a shit roster the Angels have can not be thinking about 2017 playoffs.

[ettin]

36 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

When you have over $200M invested into a season and 67 games left to play while being 3.5 games back ... it's best to wait it out a little longer before you surrender. 

Yea it looks bleak but wtf ... I'm sure Trout isn't ready to tuck his balls between his legs just yet

Ummm where on Earth did you get that number from? Currently we are sitting at about $170M or so which is $25M under the Luxury Tax threshold.

But I do agree with the rest of what you said. FanGraphs believes we still have a relatively decent chance at 13.1%: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updating-the-lists-of-buyers-and-sellers/

If we actually go out and improve the team that would obviously rise.... the question is by how much which is why I mentioned the win-curve in the Trade Deadline Series. If we improve significantly at 2B, 1B, and/or SP (or some combination) that percentage could rise quite a bit.

[ettin]

1 minute ago, eligrba said:

Success does not wait.....make the moves now while the time is right to maximize the return.  Anyone fully understanding what a shit roster the Angels have can not be thinking about 2017 playoffs.

 

Just now, ettin said:

Ummm where on Earth did you get that number from? Currently we are sitting at about $170M or so which is $25M under the Luxury Tax threshold.

But I do agree with the rest of what you said. FanGraphs believes we still have a relatively decent chance at 13.1%: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updating-the-lists-of-buyers-and-sellers/

If we actually go out and improve the team that would obviously rise.... the question is by how much which is why I mentioned the win-curve in the Trade Deadline Series. If we improve significantly at 2B, 1B, and/or SP (or some combination) that percentage could rise quite a bit.

 

A tale in two posts.

[Troll Daddy]

54 minutes ago, ettin said:

Ummm where on Earth did you get that number from? Currently we are sitting at about $170M or so which is $25M under the Luxury Tax threshold.

But I do agree with the rest of what you said. FanGraphs believes we still have a relatively decent chance at 13.1%: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updating-the-lists-of-buyers-and-sellers/

If we actually go out and improve the team that would obviously rise.... the question is by how much which is why I mentioned the win-curve in the Trade Deadline Series. If we improve significantly at 2B, 1B, and/or SP (or some combination) that percentage could rise quite a bit.

I'm guessing .... Eppler, Sosh, coaches, assistants, trainers, operating cost, etc etc

The point is to wait it out a little longer

[Homebrewer]

55 minutes ago, ettin said:

Ummm where on Earth did you get that number from? Currently we are sitting at about $170M or so which is $25M under the Luxury Tax threshold.

But I do agree with the rest of what you said. FanGraphs believes we still have a relatively decent chance at 13.1%: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updating-the-lists-of-buyers-and-sellers/

If we actually go out and improve the team that would obviously rise.... the question is by how much which is why I mentioned the win-curve in the Trade Deadline Series. If we improve significantly at 2B, 1B, and/or SP (or some combination) that percentage could rise quite a bit.

If a doctor gave me a 13% chance.. I'd be getting my affairs in order. That's an 87% chance of the other outcome...not what I'd be calling "relatively decent".

[AngelsFaninGA]

Madson won't get any saves against us because the Nats will win every game by 5+ runs. 

And since I just posted that, it means we'll sweep. You're welcome. 

[ettin]

Just now, Homebrewer said:

If a doctor gave me a 13% chance.. I'd be getting my affairs in order. That's an 87% chance of the other outcome...not what I'd be calling "relatively decent".

Did you read the article? You do understand that if the Angels choose to improve those odds will rise right? Unless you're a Division leader you're probably no more than 35% likely to get to the playoffs (which is a 65% for the "other" outcome in your math) so there is a range here, among the Wild Card candidates, that is separated by no more than about 20% give or take.

Those are achievable odds IF the Angels improve. If they stand pat or sell-off then obviously their chances are the same or much worse.

It is not just about the odds but about how each team involved in a tight race chooses to upgrade, sell-off or stand pat and how that impacts the other teams they are competing against. The Angels are capable of upgrading but that decision rests more on the opportunity cost for Eppler to acquire pieces to make that happen. If those prices are too high then it is not worth it for the Angels to try and improve. If they are the right prices for long term pieces then do it, it will help you now and in the future.

[Troll Daddy]

19 minutes ago, Homebrewer said:

If a doctor gave me a 13% chance.. I'd be getting my affairs in order. That's an 87% chance of the other outcome...not what I'd be calling "relatively decent".

I was thinking the same thing in 2002 before I put my $200 down on the Angels@60-1 I did it anyway 

i pray that you beat the odds ... amigo 

gotta go dinner date

[beatlesrule]

Nats are still looking for help.  Eppler needs to try to get them to overpay for one of our guys.  I hope he is working the phones.  Is anyone here familiar with the players they have in their system and which ones could help the Angels improve?  Would the Nats trade a guy off their major league roster instead like Sanchez? 

[Lou]

23 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Nats are still looking for help.  Eppler needs to try to get them to overpay for one of our guys.  I hope he is working the phones.  Is anyone here familiar with the players they have in their system and which ones could help the Angels improve?  Would the Nats trade a guy off their major league roster instead like Sanchez? 

Don't know the answer to your questions, but I was about to ask if they had a guy in AAA that is blocked by a good major leaguer or even a good major leaguer who has a stud prospect waiting to be called up. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by Lou

[Blarg]

9 hours ago, Homebrewer said:

The Angels could do that and their fans and FO would STILL insist that they are "contenders"

1999 was the last time the Angels found themselves last in their division.

[tdawg87]

The Nats system doesn't seem to match up well with what we're looking for. Fedde would be perfect, but I don't see him being traded for bullpen help. 

 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

2 guys isn't enough with Dusty Baker at the Helm...... If I was Eppler I would call them and see if they might be interested in 2 more arms for that Bully....Baker will wear them down!

[Troll Daddy]

2 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

2 guys isn't enough with Dusty Baker at the Helm...... If I was Eppler I would call them and see if they might be interested in 2 more arms for that Bully....Baker will wear them down!

Why call when they'll be here today

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

I suppose I'd take Lowrie if the price was right. 

[vlad27]

On 7/16/2017 at 1:41 PM, Homebrewer said:

Street will take his place in Oak next season with similar numbers.

Of course he will - I'd bet on that