Teams want Shoemaker/Skaggs, Brian Dozier a real possibility? (Ken Rosenthal)

[KevinJ14]

Why would the Angels, a team already thin on starting pitching, consider moving Skaggs or Shoemaker, both of whom are under control for four more seasons?

 

As always, it depends upon the potential return.

 

If the Angels can get the player they want — say, an everyday second baseman — they then would need to measure the dropoff from Skaggs or Shoemaker to a lesser starter and the overall impact on the club.

 

The Angels plan to try right-hander J.C. Ramirez at starter and recently signed righty Jesse Chavez with the same intent. Their other alternatives for the rotation include left-hander Nate Smith and right-handers Alex Meyer, Vicente Campos and Daniel Wright.

 

Could the Angels build a package around Skaggs for Twins second baseman Brian Dozier? Remains to be seen. The team has backed off the Phillies’ Cesar Hernandez, according to Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chris-sale-nationals-braves-blue-jays-astros-kendrys-morales-notes-111516

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

You can say that again!

[Junkballer]

Autocraigrotic duplication

[Chuck]

What happened to the original thread and its posts?

[Junkballer]

Dozier at 6m & 9m (2017-18) fills that hole very nicely but at what cost besides Skaggs/Shoemaker?  I think there has to be another legit prospect included which seems contrary to where B-Epps is at right now.

 

FYI-

http://twinsdaily.com/blog/449/entry-8592-thoughts-on-brian-dozier/

[Stradling]

I am guessing the wrong duplicates were deleted Chuck.  I wasn't able to delete any of them last night.  

[Troll Daddy]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I am guessing the wrong duplicates were deleted Chuck.  I wasn't able to delete any of them last night.  

This screw up may cost you your job.

[Stradling]

Yea, with the way Chuck is losing friends left and right because he has become Brian this election season, I am pretty sure I am safe.  Also I didn't delete it.  

[California Cajun]

Eppler traded Newcomb and Ellis for Simmons last year.  My first impression was that this was a big gamble.

For that reason it wouldn't surprise me if he made another super unorthodox move.

Eppler certainly thinks outside the box.  This might be an entertaining off season for us.

[Chuck]

I'll say it again..

I would trade Skaggs, Thiass and one of Mike Trout's pubic hairs for Brian Dozier. 

Get it done, Eppy! 

[totdprods]

What if we, ugh, took Phil Hughes off their hands as well, and give up a little less prospect wise? Or, ponied up more and got Santana back? Flip Cron elsewhere and take Mauer for 1B/DH?

[Stradling]

Seriously, if we match up with the Twins on a trade for Dozier, then they suck worse than we do top to bottom.  I highly doubt our top guy would be in their top five of prospects.  

I would love to have Dozier, but if it costs us Skaggs, Cron and 2 or 3 minor leaguers, it might not be worth it.  That being said if they are interested in a salary dump and want to throw in Mauer and Dozier for Skaggs, Cron and one minor leaguer I wouldn't be opposed, but then again, I don't care about Arte's money like some others do.  

[totdprods]

I mentioned it in the thread that was deleted, but got me wondering about other teams that may have an expensive 2B and SP that they'd like to move in return for Shoe or Skaggs. Kinsler and Anibal Sanchez, Starlin Castro and Sabathia, Phillips/Cosart and Homer Bailey...

 

[Stradling]

I would not take Sabathia.  

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I would not take Sabathia.  

Not for one year? He was solid last season and pulled off a decent 180 innings. With his age, weight, and alcoholism issues there's definitely a risk of breakdown, but that's why we've amassed so many AAA starters. If he stays healthy though he'd eat some innings at the back of the rotation. Castro would be a decent 2B.

I wouldn't give up Skaggs or Shoemaker for that combo though. We'd need a top prospect coming back as well before I listened. 

[Chuck]

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Seriously, if we match up with the Twins on a trade for Dozier, then they suck worse than we do top to bottom.  I highly doubt our top guy would be in their top five of prospects.  

I would love to have Dozier, but if it costs us Skaggs, Cron and 2 or 3 minor leaguers, it might not be worth it.  That being said if they are interested in a salary dump and want to throw in Mauer and Dozier for Skaggs, Cron and one minor leaguer I wouldn't be opposed, but then again, I don't care about Arte's money like some others do.  

Good thinking, Strad...

I like it. If it's a salary dump in taking Mauer and Dozier for Skaggs and Cron + Sum Yung Gui, I'm for that too. Mauer takes over 1B until Thiass is ready. 

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

Good thinking, Strad...

I like it. If it's a salary dump in taking Mauer and Dozier for Skaggs and Cron + Sum Yung Gui, I'm for that too. Mauer takes over 1B until Thiass is ready. 

If Mauer could be Markakis-like in production and just give us a lot of doubles, walks, a .275+ average and good defense at first he'd be pretty solid.

I think this is just Rosenthal going for clicks though.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Good thinking, Strad...

I like it. If it's a salary dump in taking Mauer and Dozier for Skaggs and Cron + Sum Yung Gui, I'm for that too. Mauer takes over 1B until Thiass is ready. 

Or Thais goes in the trade.  

[Stradling]

I think if this is Rosenthal going for clicks then he is an idiot because the Angel fan base isn't all that big.  So if it isn't attached to Yankees, Cubs or Red Sox it isn't going to get the clicks he is hoping for. 

[Troll Daddy]

Dozier would be great! ... but I'd take Kinsler at a much cheaper price. 

[totdprods]

Shoe for Kinsler and Sanchez? They're both free agents after '17. Kinsler would be excellent. Sanchez was terrible but maybe a chance of scenery would help. It'd carve a ton off of Detroit's '17 payroll. Don't think Skaggs is enough for Kinsler.

[Stradling]

If I am giving up Skaggs I want more guaranteed years than one.  

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If I am giving up Skaggs I want more guaranteed years than one.  

Skaggs for Cesar Hernandez?

[Stradling]

I would be fine with that.  I personally would prefer to trade Shoemaker over Skaggs, but if we could finally solve 2nd base for the next few years I would consider it for sure.  

[TroutField]

So we were terrible last year because our pitching was hot garbage and we had no depth, so let's go ahead and trade one or two of our starters for a second baseman. Makes absolutely no sense. I would rather have Cowart at second with Skaggs and Shoe in the rotation.