Medical Research by Country

[nate]

Those socialized health care countries are sucking off our tit when it comes to innovation in the health sector.  Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that there is no profit in it...

 

In the US you get world class health care because there is an incentive to do it.  Other countries you get no better than a patch job.

 

[Blarg]

I am grateful to live here.

[Glen]

We're also the third most populous country so it only makes sense that we should rank high.  That said, China and India are 1 and 2 respectively in population and rank 2 and 9 respectively on the list.  So yeah, whatever.

[Adam]

Those socialized health care countries are sucking off our tit when it comes to innovation in the health sector.  Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that there is no profit in it...

 

In the US you get world class health care because there is an incentive to do it.  Other countries you get no better than a patch job.

 

 

LANDSLIDE!

[nate]

We're also the third most populous country so it only makes sense that we should rank high.  That said, China and India are 1 and 2 respectively in population and rank 2 and 9 respectively on the list.  So yeah, whatever.

 

UK 1 document per 299 people

US 1 document per 40 people

 

Any way you look at it the US dominates the field.

[Make Angels Great Again]

lobbyists.

[Adam]

Or profits are good for everyone

[Make Angels Great Again]

Or the ability to raise a drug price by 5000% just because you can is attractive.

[Blarg]

Or we are just ****ing really damn good at medicine. I am now living proof of that so y'all can shut your socialist whore mouths!

[Angelsjunky]

'Merica! Where making profit on illness is considered a good thing!

[Glen]

How about some innovations in the ER?  Took my wife a few weeks ago and had to wait seven hours.  

[nate]

'Merica! Where making profit on illness is considered a good thing!

 

way to miss the point

[Glen]

'Merica! Where making profit on illness is considered a good thing!

 

 

Seriously, what other true incentives do doctors have?  They have to go to school forever and constantly stay current in their field, they face lawsuits out the ass, and they have to deal with the sick public.  Altruism isn't gonna give us enough doctors.  

[Make Angels Great Again]

I'm cool with Doctors being among the highest paid proffessions. I don't think anyone would argue that.

[Angelsjunky]

Seriously, what other true incentives do doctors have?  They have to go to school forever and constantly stay current in their field, they face lawsuits out the ass, and they have to deal with the sick public.  Altruism isn't gonna give us enough doctors.  

 

Well, I do think the first incentive in choosing a medical profession is in actually wanting to help people. But my issue isn't with doctors, its with pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and hospitals - all of whom profit from chronic illnesses. Doctors do as well, but less so, and there's always going to be a need for doctors.

[Angelsjunky]

way to miss the point

 

I get your point. You think socialized health care is BS, and that countries with socialized health care rely upon American research.

 

But as usual, you bring a very partial angle to the table. You also seem to miss the fact that by tying medical research to profit, it limits what is researched, and what people will put money into. The focus becomes on: "What drug or treatment can we create that will lead to lots of $$$" rather than "What drug or treatment can we create that will make people better?"

[nate]

That money is being used to improve the quality of healthcare, to innovate and cure diseases.  We can socialize and then completely slow the development and innovation in the medical sector though.  Cool.

[Make Angels Great Again]

It's cute that you think that money is actually used for good.

[Make Angels Great Again]

I'm sure Martin Shkreli is a great dude.

[nate]

I get your point. You think socialized health care is BS, and that countries with socialized health care rely upon American research.

 

But as usual, you bring a very partial angle to the table. You also seem to miss the fact that by tying medical research to profit, it limits what is researched, and what people will put money into. The focus becomes on: "What drug or treatment can we create that will lead to lots of $$$" rather than "What drug or treatment can we create that will make people better?"

 

You don't think these researches are helping people?  Just because they aren't focusing on what you care about then it isn't helping?

[nate]

I'm sure Martin Shkreli is a great dude.

 

Seems that that took care of itself didn't it.

[Lhalo]

It's cute that you think that money is actually used for good.

 

Plenty of money is used for good. WTF are you talking about?

[Make Angels Great Again]

You really think he's the only one of his kind?

[Make Angels Great Again]

Pharm companies don't raise drug prices insane amounts out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Blarg]

So single facet of medicine is your only focus?