Beating a dead horse

[Broad Street]

Man that Randal Grichuk kid is pretty good, would love to have him in our outfield.

[eligrba]

That trade sums up the difference between both franchises.

[JoJo26]

But...Salas is a sure fire stopper in the bully.....

 

Edited June 21, 2015 by JoJo26

[sneaky_flute]

Randal Grichuk doesn't walk at all. I don't think he'll sustain his current production. 

[Troll Daddy]

Randal Grichuk doesn't walk at all. I don't think he'll sustain his current production.

Get with the program ... walks are a false stat. If you get a pitch to hit then hit the darn ball.

[Inside Pitch]

Randal Grichuk doesn't walk at all. I don't think he'll sustain his current production. 

 

His power potential and ability to play plus defense at all three OF spots makes it so it's less of an issue despite it being a legit concern.    He's still only 23 and just beginning to tap into his power.

[Troll Daddy]

I remember watching him and Harper putting on a power display about 5 years ago. It was some type of a HR derby.

[Inside Pitch]

I remember watching him and Harper putting on a power display about 5 years ago. It was some type of a HR derby.

 

The High School HR derby -- they were the final two.

[shellback]

we need more utility guys with speed that can bunt

[Sully151]

It's almost like St Luis had some secret information about Grichuk. Something that only the Angels would have known about him. Like an a computer file or something.

[ELEVEN]

And catchers that can throw to CF.

[wopphil]

I did not like the Freese trade at the time because of the inclusion of Grichuk. I felt then, and still feel now, it was a huge overpay. Probably Dipoto's worst trade.

That being said, I remember how angry we all were about losing Segura. That anger really peaked when he had that six hit game sometime in late May of 2013. It looked like we had lost a superstar. But since that game, Segura has barely looked like a major leaguer. So I'll withhold judgement until Grichuk gets a few hundred at bats under his belt.

[Tank]

It's almost like St Luis had some secret information about Grichuk. Something that only the Angels would have known about him. Like an a computer file or something.

Too soon.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

And catchers that can throw to CF.

 

We're still trying to replace one who throws to first when the runner is stealing second. Gumball dispensing skills are a plus.

[Docwaukee]

I'm gonna give Segura a pass.  The dude lost a kid.  

 

I have a really hard time believing that Grichuk's approach is going to be sustainable long term unless he can learn to swing less.  That said, he could certainly progress in that area to some degree and have a long career.  

 

He could be kind of like a poor man's Torii Hunter.  Torii was very similar early in his career with good power and a low obp.  Grichuk doesn't play defense to the level that Torii did, but he's still very good and also has some solid speed.  

 

Bourjos was a backup OFer who was never going to play the position that gave him his value.  It's pretty clear that he's not a very good hitter.  

 

Salas blows.  He had a solid year last year, but he's back to what I expect this year giving up a run every other outing.  

 

Freese has done a decent job for the halos.  He's pretty much the definition of an average 3bman.  We didn't have that or anything close at the time.  

 

Yes, it could be a horrible trade, but it's not right at this moment.  Randall still has a ways to go before to prove he can sustain anything close to what he's doing now.  He'll probably make it lopsided in the cards favor, but it's not overly so as of yet.  

[Docwaukee]

It's almost like St Luis had some secret information about Grichuk. Something that only the Angels would have known about him. Like an a computer file or something.

 

 

that's actually an interesting thought btw.  Not that the cards hacked the halos, but what if Houston had been scouting Grichuk heavily for whatever reason or what if the algorithm that Houston was using to evaluate players unveiled something that Stl wouldn't have seen in Grichuk otherwise.  It' a long shot, but I wonder if the halos could get any recourse.  

[tomsred]

So my thought is that you folks keep bring up all of our busted trades, and yet you want us to make more trades - why???  Maybe trading should be illegal with this organization.

[Inside Pitch]

It's almost like St Luis had some secret information about Grichuk. Something that only the Angels would have known about him. Like an a computer file or something.

 

Not sure what was so secret, I was posting numbers left and right in the minor league forum that all pretty much led to the same conclusion -- he was a player on the cusp.... the indicators were there for everyone to see ..  but I'd sooner argue the Angels made that move because they didn't like what they saw in Cowart .vs anything they didn't see in Grichuk

 

For me a better criticism of the Angels is what they thought they saw in Freese that was worth completely obliterating their OF depth for.

[Inside Pitch]

I did not like the Freese trade at the time because of the inclusion of Grichuk. I felt then, and still feel now, it was a huge overpay. Probably Dipoto's worst trade.

That being said, I remember how angry we all were about losing Segura. That anger really peaked when he had that six hit game sometime in late May of 2013. It looked like we had lost a superstar. But since that game, Segura has barely looked like a major leaguer. So I'll withhold judgement until Grichuk gets a few hundred at bats under his belt.

 

The Segura trade didn't bother me one bit.   I actually thought that until the Trumbo trade it had been Jerry's best move as GM.   Grienke for Segura and two non prospects was IMO a steal.   I'd feel the same way even if Segura had kept playing well..    A legit Cy Young caliber arm for a single prospect was about as a good a job of maximizing value as a GM could make IMO.

[Angelsjunky]

Segura is a solid player. Maybe he won't return to 2013 numbers, but he's better than 2014. I think he can improve a bit on what he's doing right now, maybe hit .280/.320/.400 with 40 SB and average defense. That's a useful player, not unlike Erick Aybar.

[bloodbrother]

Grichuk has a 3.2% BB% to go along with a 29.8% K%. That's pretty bad and doesn't point to a hitter who will hit for a decent average or have a good OBP%. His BABIP of .377 has helped him maintain a good average in his limited AB's. With everyday AB's, I'd expect him to be more of a low BA, poor OBP% type hitter, similar to Trumbo. Thing is though, that still has some value especially since he's shown to be good defensively in the OF. Didn't like that he was part of the Freese deal at all

[Ohtaniland]