Billy Beane is perfect

[Lou]

Well from what I recall the Braves typically cruised into the playoffs with a 5-10 game lead to take their division. In the West there's typically some kind of race until the end, so it's not like the A's are making it in without having to battle for the spot. It's a bit more competitive in the West, you've got to earn your way there.

 

and yet the Ath's can't win in the playoffs

[CaliAngel]

and yet the Ath's can't win in the playoffs

 

Yeah.

 

That's what I said was confusing.

 

Either they don't apply what they use to win during the season once the playoffs come around, or what they do during the season doesn't work in the playoffs. Add the fact they have to battle to get there and you'd just think being there 50% of the time the past 14 years would eventually get them in a position to win the World Series.

[Oz27]

A team with the fourth lowest payroll is 63-38. They're on their way to the seventh division title in the Beane era (or at worst a wild card spot), which have all come with a low payroll. In 14 seasons they've never lost more than 88 games, have won 90 eight times and won more than 100 twice. But yeah, Beane sucks...clearly.

 

Some people here sound like the ugly girl in the corner of the dance, criticizing what the really pretty girl wore to make themselves feel better about their own issues.

[Lou]

I know! I can't believe everyone is saying Beane sucks

 

oh wait...

[HaloMagic]

He's been one of if not the best GMs in baseball over the last 15 years but people spend a lot of time arguing that he's been okay. It's cute. It's like watching Tigers fans talk about how Trout been a good outfielder.

[Angel Oracle]

Don't know how accurate this is, but one reason making the rounds for the A's lack of post-season success since 2000 is that because they've generally been big on plate patience since 2000, as they face post-season teams with better pitching staffs having better control, they can't wait out pitchers like they can vs. the staffs that have less control artists on them during the season. 

[HaloMagic]

One reason making the rounds for their lack of postseason success since 2012 is Justin Verlander. They can't beat him.

[Oz27]

I know! I can't believe everyone is saying Beane sucks

 

oh wait...

Like all those people who say Beane is "perfect"

[HaloMagic]

oh wait...

[Lou]

Like all those people who say Beane is "perfect"

 

did someone make that accusation?

[HaloMagic]

You're right they have had so much post season success with Beane as the GM. I am more making fun of the guys on here that think he walks on water.

Here. And the thread title.

[Oz27]

^What he said.

[Lou]

Here. And the thread title.

 

 

still waiting

[HaloMagic]

Keep waiting. You're more pleasant that way.

[Butcher'd]

Best GM in the league. Best team in the league. 

 

Let's give Oakland (Beane and Bob Melvin in particular) some well deserved credit.

[Angelsjunky]

Stradling, I think Beane is an excellent GM but I don't think he's perfect. But tell me, who is a better GM?

 

As for the Callaspo-Green trade, people talk about it like it was a steal and it hopefully will turn out to be. But so far isn't exactly killing it with his .721 OPS and poor defense as an Angel. And, at 26 years old, he isn't quite a spring chicken any more. Again, this could turn out really good but we haven't seen it yet.

[Angelsjunky]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/billion-dollar-billy-beane/

 

Pretty timely article...  Also, I bet more than a few people here will be surprised to see how the Angels graded out.

 

Uh, those charts are 2000 to the present. We all know the Angels did well from 2002-09, but what about the last five years? How would they grade out from 2010 to the present? Not quite as well, I imagine.

[Tank]

To me as a fan, sure playoff wins and championships are nice.  I just care more about fielding an entertaining, competitive team. 

 

after the sheer joy of '02, i'd like a LOT more championships. one just isn't enough. not sure why any fans would feel differently about this issue.

[Tank]

A team with the fourth lowest payroll is 63-38. They're on their way to the seventh division title in the Beane era (or at worst a wild card spot), which have all come with a low payroll. In 14 seasons they've never lost more than 88 games, have won 90 eight times and won more than 100 twice. But yeah, Beane sucks...clearly.

 

Some people here sound like the ugly girl in the corner of the dance, criticizing what the really pretty girl wore to make themselves feel better about their own issues.

 

how come they don't win in the post season? their playoff success in these last 14 seasons is less than impressive.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Tank

[HaloMagic]

They have one less series win than us in last 12 seasons. The A's have a .411 postseason winning percentage in that stretch. The Angels is .344.

Edited July 25, 2014 by HaloMagic

[Tank]

They have one less series win than us in last 12 seasons.

 

and one less than the marlins, too.

[Lou]

They have one less series win than us in last 12 seasons.

 

and yet, nobody is declaring our GM (s) a genius

[arch stanton]

Beane had the luxury of punting away half a decade to get to this point so the payroll this year doesn't really tell the full story. Of course, he obviously did a better job than teams like Kansas City and Pittsburgh who punted away a quarter century so there's that. The trade with the Cubs seems to signal that they want to take this core and finally go for broke. I still think we'll beat them but then I'm not one to run scared from what looks like a lost cause.

[HaloMagic]

and yet, nobody is declaring our GM (s) a genius

Good. So they have that in common with Beane then.

[QuinlansMinion]

I would have killed for "regular season champs!" the past four years.

I wouldnt, because regular season champs dont mean jack shit.