What players would the Phillies want for Jonny Paps?

[beatlesrule]

I just read that he will waive his ntc for a contender. Has anyone found out what players the Phillies are seeking?

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I wouldn't want him. He makes too much money. There's better, and cheaper closers that should be avail (Soria, Street, etc.).

[Jason]

Yeah, i wouldn't give up prime talent for him either. The Angels don't need that salary either. I agree with AngelsandRamsFan.

[Docwaukee]

declining fastball velocity for the 3rd strait year.  94.8mph in 2010, 2011.  93.8 in 2012. 92.0 in 2013, and 91.4 this year

 

decreasing K rate.  lower than usual BABIP.  Has yet to give up a hr this year.

 

6mil left for 2014, 13mil for 2015 (age 34), 13mil vesting option for 2016 (age 35).  

 

known to be a nozzle in the clubhouse

 

this has bear trap written all over it.   

[gotbeer]

LOL.  Nozzle in the clubhouse.

[Richard]

Think there are better options and this dude is a overpaid clown. The team has a good identity right now and don't need his antics in the clubhouse or on the field.

[ukyah]

don't like him. don't want him. declining skills.

[Jason]

We already have a starter with declining velocity and K rates. No thank you at that price.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I always like the 'he'll agree to a trade to a contender'.

"If it helps me, do it. Otherwise, ill stay here and keep taking your money"

[Hollyw00d]

13 mil for a reliever? No thanks

[Season Over]

They couldn't realistically ask for anything valuable since it's a salary dump at this point.  No thanks unless they pay for most of the contract.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Season Over

[The God of Runs]

Nothing wrong with Joe Smith

[Second Base]

The Angels need all the prospects they can get and aren't short on money. If Papelbon can slip into the 8th inning and shut things down then I say do it.

[ten ocho recon scout]

The Angels need all the prospects they can get and aren't short on money. If Papelbon can slip into the 8th inning and shut things down then I say do it.

this where im at.

Not saying it should be papelbon. But like the dogs offloading bostons anchor, I say we at least kick the tires on lee or hamels just based on us agreeing to take the salary (as bad as it is). Hemels would be tougher, and price will cost too much in terms of prospects (who we dont have). But eating a chunk of money (which we do) in order to keep the prospects going over low is a good thing, IMO

Would love to see cinc fall further back and maybe see what cueto would cost (hes a FA after the season)

[Second Base]

Exactly. If something falls into our lap without prospects like Lee or Papelbon, fine. If it costs prospects, I'm fine as long as they're minimal. If the Angels are paying full price on what should likely be a sale item then no.

[Lou]

Recon, Cueto has a team option for $10 million for 2015.

A no-brainer for Cincinnati

[ten ocho recon scout]

Shoot, didnt know that. Was hoping at min we could make a run at him after the season ended.

[Hollyw00d]

When Cueto hits the open market, dude could command a kershaw type contract.   He's obviously not as good, but he's really not far off

[nando714]

I wouldn't mind Paps

His fist pumps rock

[Turd Ferguson]

I don't mind Pap in theory.  As others have pointed out, he will cost more in $ then prospects.  I haven't looked at the advanced metrics, but I don't really see much of a decline.  If anything, he has been consistently very good and durable.  That said, he'll cost $13M next season and has a fairly obtainable vesting option for 2016 (if he finishes 55 games next season) at another $13M.  That's some serious coin for a RP.  If Phi is willing to take a nobody prospect and eat a chunk of the salary, I think this is a better option then Street.  

Edited July 10, 2014 by Turd Ferguson

[jshep]

declining fastball velocity for the 3rd strait year.  94.8mph in 2010, 2011.  93.8 in 2012. 92.0 in 2013, and 91.4 this year

 

decreasing K rate.  lower than usual BABIP.  Has yet to give up a hr this year.

 

6mil left for 2014, 13mil for 2015 (age 34), 13mil vesting option for 2016 (age 35).  

 

known to be a nozzle in the clubhouse

 

this has bear trap written all over it.   

 

Yep.

 

Please stay farrr away, Dipoto.

[rageous]

Angels do not need a closer.

If anything they could use another cheap setup guy.

[ukyah]

The Angels need all the prospects they can get and aren't short on money. If Papelbon can slip into the 8th inning and shut things down then I say do it.

 

 

if you think papelbon would be open to being a setup man, then you don't know papelbon.

[nando714]

Who cost more prospects

Street or Paps

I say if we take all of paps salary will the Phills want as many prospects as San Diego will?

[ukyah]

When Cueto hits the open market, dude could command a kershaw type contract.   He's obviously not as good, but he's really not far off

 

 

wow. that's a bold statement.