Hobby Lobby

[Schildog]

They won the scotus decision today. Discuss.

[mtangelsfan]

Pretty tight definition of the decision.  Other groups aren't going to necessarily be able to use this case.

[nate]

Amazingly they are not against paying for Vasectomies.  Honestly I can see it both ways.  I don't think a company should be forced to pay for something they do not believe in.

 

Hopefully this means non religious companies don't have to give paid time off for religious holidays and can force employees to work on days where their religion objects.

[TobiasFunke]

 

Hopefully this means non religious companies don't have to give paid time off for religious holidays and can force employees to work on days where their religion objects.

Whoa, never thought about that before. Would be interesting to see that in the news.

 

Edit: This guy would be stoked

Edited June 30, 2014 by TobiasFunke

[mtangelsfan]

Amazingly they are not against paying for Vasectomies.  Honestly I can see it both ways.  I don't think a company should be forced to pay for something they do not believe in.

 

Hopefully this means non religious companies don't have to give paid time off for religious holidays and can force employees to work on days where their religion objects.

 

I guess if they don't value those employees.  I would just quit and find a business that respected my beliefs.  I don't really care about the getting paid for days off but the second one you posted would just be petty.

[nate]

Why should companies pay for their employees not to work?

[mtangelsfan]

Why should companies pay for their employees not to work?

 

Did you read what I just posted?  I said I don't care about them getting paid for days off.

[Schildog]

Amazingly they are not against paying for Vasectomies.  Honestly I can see it both ways.  I don't think a company should be forced to pay for something they do not believe in.

 

Hopefully this means non religious companies don't have to give paid time off for religious holidays and can force employees to work on days where their religion objects.

 

ha, that's actually great you point that out. 

[nate]

Currently if an employee of a company is fired for not showing up to work for religious reasons the company can be sued for wrongful termination and loses.

 

Anyway I agree.  All women who work at Hobby Lobby should quit because it is a company that clearly doesn't respect women.  As shown by their willingness to pay for male contraception but not female contraception.

[Spirit]

Amazingly they are not against paying for Vasectomies.  Honestly I can see it both ways.  I don't think a company should be forced to pay for something they do not believe in.

 

Hopefully this means non religious companies don't have to give paid time off for religious holidays and can force employees to work on days where their religion objects.

 

I can think of only Christmas, which is actually a Federal holiday.  Are there others that I'm missing?

[mtangelsfan]

Currently if an employee of a company is fired for not showing up to work for religious reasons the company can be sued for wrongful termination and loses.

 

Anyway I agree.  All women who work at Hobby Lobby should quit because it is a company that clearly doesn't respect women.  As shown by their willingness to pay for male contraception but not female contraception.

 

If you can't see the difference between the Hobby Lobby scenario and your own then your dislike of religion is skewing your ability to see things logically. 

[nate]

Easter, Passover, Ramadan, Good Friday, etc.

[mtangelsfan]

Easter, Passover, Ramadan, Good Friday, etc.

 

nobody forces companies to pay for those days off.  You are reaching nate.

[Spirit]

Easter, Passover, Ramadan, Good Friday, etc.

 

I've never worked for a company that's been closed on any of those days.

[Schildog]

people ask for those days off. why can't an employer deny those requests if he doesn't agree with religion?

[Adam]

Anytime the government loses I cheer

[nate]

nobody forces companies to pay for those days off.  You are reaching nate.

 

If a company has normal working days that those fall on, and an employee refuses to work for religious reasons they cannot be fired.  If they do fire them they always lose the wrongful termination lawsuit.

[Spirit]

people ask for those days off. why can't an employer deny those requests if he doesn't agree with religion?

 

They should be able to.

[Adam]

I believe two parties should be free to agree to any terms of trade. 

[mtangelsfan]

people ask for those days off. why can't an employer deny those requests if he doesn't agree with religion?

 

They can.  You can't legislate pettiness.

[Spirit]

I believe two parties should be free to agree to any terms of trade. 

 

Bingo

[Schildog]

They can.  You can't legislate pettiness.

 

but adjudicating it is

[mtangelsfan]

If an employee takes a job with your company and you comunicate to that employee before he/she agrees that you will not be allowing them to take personal days off for religious purposes then I don't think there should be any kind of recrimination from the government.

 

Again, I think it would be foolish to not do so and I would ask what you would allow employees to take personal days off for.  Or, what if they used their own vacation time?  Would you say no to that request of vacation time simply because it was for religious purposes?

[Thomas]

If a company has normal working days that those fall on, and an employee refuses to work for religious reasons they cannot be fired.  If they do fire them they always lose the wrongful termination lawsuit.

 

Somewhere Verizon is laughing their ass off though they don't know why. Damn company docked me for being at the birth of my first born.

[Spirit]

Somewhere Verizon is laughing their ass off though they don't know why. Damn company docked me for being at the birth of my first born.

 

Did they feel that was too religious an experience for them to pay for?