Angels interest in Samardzija?

[QuinlansMinion]

Kendrick, Kalhoun, and a couple of prospects

 

I dont think this would be a bad trade at all.  Im ready to see Kendrick flailing away in another uniform.  The important thing is this opens up starting jobs for both Cowgill and Green.  

[jshep]

Ibanez, Freese, and Jepsen.

 

Get it done, Dipoto.

[Homebrewer]

Howie might be a little long in the tooth for the Cubs, and trading Calhoun right now wouldn't be smart.

He is just coming into his own, and is cost controlled.

If you can get something for Cowgill, great...but Calhoun is the real deal.

[KevinJ14]

Meanwhile that guy on the Indians last night, Josh Outman just got DFA'd

[Homebrewer]

Meanwhile that guy on the Indians last night, Josh Outman just got DFA'd

Always thought a reliever named Outman was pretty cool.

Go get him Jerry!

[Angel Oracle]

Why are we worried about SP now?

Shoemaker is terrific and our rotation kicks ass.

 

We should be more concerned about the useless bag of **** that is Ibanez, our lack of production at 3B, or the #3 hitter in our lineup batting .254 while earning over $20 million dollars. 

 

The last 2 video highlights Pujols has on the official site are an RBI groundout and a HBP. 

Because Weaver and Wilson look like #4 starters lately

[Mark68]

Agreed. Last thing I read the Phillies just wanted to lose most of his contract.

Not Cole Hamels, Jason Hammel. Cubs.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Mark68

[ukyah]

i could live with something centered around santiago, but not skaggs. as most others, i don't feel that this has any legs to it other than twitter fodder.

[Richard]

@jonmorosi  35s

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

 

 

@Ken_Rosenthal  7m

Per @jonmorosi report on Samardzija. Said yesterday he wanted more than Bailey's $105M. #Cubs knew $85M-plus would be short.

WOW

Edited June 18, 2014 by Richard

[Homebrewer]

 

@jonmorosi  35s

Source confirms Jeff Samardzija rejected a five-year offer from Cubs. Value was slightly more than $85 million, source said.

 

 

@Ken_Rosenthal  7m

Per @jonmorosi report on Samardzija. Said yesterday he wanted more than Bailey's $105M. #Cubs knew $85M-plus would be short.

WOW

 

I still think they will work something out. The Cubs have money to spend, and they will never receive trade value for him.

IMO it will make more sense for the Cubs to just pay him.

[tdawg87]

Samardzija isn't even that good. LOL @ him rejecting more money than Weaver got.

[Homebrewer]

Samardzija isn't even that good. LOL @ him rejecting more money than Weaver got.

Top 10 in ERA, K, War

1.21 WHIP tied wtih Strasburg

 

29-90 bb/k

[Cdaniel]

Read on ESPN today Bowden top 5 teams to land Price and Angels were #1 on the list. All he had us giving up was Cron and AY

[tdawg87]

Top 10 in ERA, K, War

1.21 WHIP tied wtih Strasburg

 

29-90 bb/k

 

What did he do last year? Or the year before that?

 

Are 15 starts enough to warrant a 100 million dollar contract?

[bloodbrother]

Read on ESPN today Bowden top 5 teams to land Price and Angels were #1 on the list. All he had us giving up was Cron and AY

 

Lol that's ridiculous. Bowden's on crack

[bloodbrother]

Kendrick, Kalhoun, and a couple of prospects

 

I dont think this would be a bad trade at all.  Im ready to see Kendrick flailing away in another uniform.  The important thing is this opens up starting jobs for both Cowgill and Green.  

 

Choosing to go with Cowgill over Calhoun going forward would be the wrong decision. Calhoun's the better player

[m0nkey]

Cowgill has the better bod

[jshep]

Lol that's ridiculous. Bowden's on crack

 

Nah, he's just Jim Bowden

[Homebrewer]

What did he do last year? Or the year before that?

 

Are 15 starts enough to warrant a 100 million dollar contract?

This is only his 4th year as a full time starter. He is durable (over 200 in last season) and just learning how to be effective. I think he is going to be solid for quite a few years to come. Not a ton of "FA to be" starters out there with his low mileage and high upside.

[Cdaniel]

Lol that's ridiculous. Bowden's on crack

Lol. That was my first thought

[AngelsFanSince86]

This is only his 4th year as a full time starter. He is durable (over 200 in last season) and just learning how to be effective. I think he is going to be solid for quite a few years to come. Not a ton of "FA to be" starters out there with his low mileage and high upside.

 

He has upside considering his arm hasn't seen that many innings (this is actually his third year starting, not fourth).  But that is about all he has. His career starting stats include a 4.03 ERA and 1.299 WHIP on an NL team .  Every year until about June he is the top 10 or so in the league with his stats, but around now he starts to fall apart and by the end of the season his overall numbers would put him as a very solid #4/#5 guy.  Notice that this month in three starts he has a 6.55 ERA.  He is definitely not the guy teams want to get half way through a season because history has shown they will be getting his worst performance.  He throws a lot of strikes and is a 200 inning guy.  Sounds like a younger Blanton.  

 

I've heard this guys name over the years with some strong praises, but never really looked at his numbers and just assumed he was one of the better pitchers in the league based on what I had heard and the fact I've seen his name the past couple years on the stat leaders list.  Not at all what I expected though and not really sure what all the hype was about.  I would be very surprised if anyone besides the Cubs sign him for the money he wants.  Nobody is going to trade young club-controlled guys for a pitcher that has a history of sucking in the second half.

[nikkachez]

Claim Josh Outman, add a dependable reliever, and call up Alvarez after he's healthy and thrown a couple games in AA. I like the idea of Samardzija but it doesn't make sense to do right now

[Homebrewer]

OK...so where were the top starters today, in their 3rd or 4th year?

And, were any of them pitching on 100 loss teams while they were learning their craft?

Lots of things to consider here, and I'm not saying he is worth what his agent is asking for right now..who ever is?

But, another question presents itself, what better starter is going to come along in FA the next few seasons that will be a better investment for the Cubs? Wrigley is a quirky ball park that pitchers need to learn how to pitch in. Weather, dimensions, (no foul ground)...it is a hard park to pitch in. The pitchers who have done the best there, were long timers who knew the ballpark...Minus Kerry wood maybe, but if you can strike everyone out you don't much rely on local knowledge.

 

Fergie,Eckersly, Moyer, Maddux, and to a lesser degree,Suttcliff...they all learned how to pitch in Wrigley

[AngelsFanSince86]

OK...so where were the top starters today, in their 3rd or 4th year?

And, were any of them pitching on 100 loss teams while they were learning their craft?

Lots of things to consider here, and I'm not saying he is worth what his agent is asking for right now..who ever is?

But, another question presents itself, what better starter is going to come along in FA the next few seasons that will be a better investment for the Cubs? Wrigley is a quirky ball park that pitchers need to learn how to pitch in. Weather, dimensions, (no foul ground)...it is a hard park to pitch in. The pitchers who have done the best there, were long timers who knew the ballpark...Minus Kerry wood maybe, but if you can strike everyone out you don't much rely on local knowledge.

 

Fergie,Eckersly, Moyer, Maddux, and to a lesser degree,Suttcliff...they all learned how to pitch in Wrigley

 

Oh I completely agree with you.  I think the Cubs should sign him and they probably will.  I just find it highly unlikely that he gets traded.  He is perfect for the Cubs and I agree with you in that they will most likely come to a deal.  He just doesn't make sense to add to a contender at this point in the season based on his past.  

 

Just for measure though, some players ERA's in their first three seasons with at least 20 starts:

 

Price: 4.42, 2.72, 3.49

Wilson: 3.35, 2.94, 3.83

Weaver: 3.91, 4.33, 3.75 (left his first year out which was 2.56 although he started 19 games)

Grienke:  3.87, 5.80, 3.47

Hernandez: 4.52, 3.92, 3.45

 

Bumgarner: 3.21, 3.37, 2.77

Wainwright: 3.70, 3.20, 2.63

Latos: 2.92, 3.47, 3.48

Cain: 4.15, 3.65, 3.76

Strasburg: 3.16, 3.00 (This is his third full year starting and has a 3.06 ERA)

 

The first group are all pitchers that pitched in the AL during that time in their careers, the second list all NL.  Grienke is the only player who switched leagues.  The AL pitchers averaged about 4.00 in their first three years and in the NL they averaged about 3.30-3.50.  Grienke, with the exception of that one Cy young year has done much better in the NL then the AL.   Samardzija would be looking like a pretty solid top of the rotation guy if he put up those numbers up in the AL.  Not so impressive in the NL.  Still, I agree he would be a good signing for the Cubs.  They have plenty of money to overpay on a contract and he can pitch there for years.  Plus they seem to really like him there.  

[moccasin]

I would rather go after their 3rd baseman, Luis Valbueba. High OBP, hits the ball in the air, and FA after 2015.