Dave Cameron (Fangraphs) predicts Garza...

[Angelsjunky]

...to the Angels for 4/50.

 

If that's the case, I say go for it. I'd much rather give Garza 4/50 than Tanaka 7/150 (or whatever he's going to get).

 

I do think Garza gets at least 4/56, probably 4/60 or even 5/70. If I were running the ship I wouldn't go over 4/60 or give him five years unless there's a team opt out. How about 4/56 with a 2M opt out, so 4/58 (or 5/70 if the option is taken).

[Cdaniel]

Sign him now and go get Balfour.

[wopphil]

I'd have no problem whatsoever with a deal that goes as high as 4 years and 64 mil.  And I agree that that would be preferable to Tanaka at 7/150. 

[nando714]

Sign him now and go get Balfour.

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[wopphil]

Reading his entire chat, Cameron is high as hell on the Angels.

[Chimi]

If they can get Garza for that, they have to get Balfour as well. Talk about a total reworking of the pitching staff if that happens. We would have a pretty damn good bullpen, at least on paper.

[Brent Maguire]

I'm still torn on Garza. I don't think he's a bad pitcher but he's close to a league average guy and has had his injury concerns.

4/50 actually isn't a bad deal but 4 years on Garza is super risky. 3 years would make me feel much better.

[DMVol]

Garza has been my prediction all along....I will add that I am frequently wrong....

[Chuck]

Git'r done!

[gotbeer]

4/$50 would be a great deal.  

[jshep]

Yeah, I'm not super fond of Garza in any way, but at 4/50 I would do it.

 

Don't know that I would go a ton above that though.

[Tyler]

As much as I'd prefer Tanaka, Garza at 4 years, $50M would be a steal.

[bloodbrother]

Yep. Count me among those who say they'd be completely fine with Garza at 4yr/$50 mill. I'd be fine with 4yr/$60 mill tbh, though that's probably about as high as I'd go.

[floplag]

i still say screw it.. if we are going to be on the hook for the luxury tax then go get both... paying the tax for one year might be worth it as Wells gives us back 18 mil after '14

Do we need both.. probably not but having Weaver, Wilson, Tanaka, Garza, Richards, Santiago, and possibly Mulder as options sets us up for a good run.

alternatively as said get more in the pen... or all of the above if we think it fits under the cap in '15.

[Angelsjunky]

Reading his entire chat, Cameron is high as hell on the Angels.

And he should be. The team was already due for a big bounce-back, and has improved already. Signing Garza takes it up another notch.

 

Cameron isn't high on Santiago as a starter. It makes me wonder if he could be a high quality reliever, even eventually the closer if Frieri is erratic. If that's the case, you don't even really need to get another reliever but after signing Garza, go with this pitching staff:

 

Rotation: Weaver, Wilson, Garza, Richards, Skaggs

Bullpen: Frieri, Santiago, Smith, Burnett, de la Rosa, Salas, Jepsen

 

Rotation depth: Santiago, Shoemaker, Blanton (if not released),

Bullpen depth: Kohn, Rasmus, Maronde, Rapada, Morin, Alvarez, Roth

 

I see Salas, Jepsen, and Kohn as somewhat interchangeable. Maronde might surpass them if he can get himself together, and Alvarez or Morin could rise quickly. Who knows, maybe Daniel Tillman will remember how to pitch and come back on the radar.

 

Regardless, that's not a bad pitching staff. Not a great one, but at best it could be good to very good, at worst just shy of average. The depth isn't great in the rotation, but it does give the Angels six viable starters and I think Shoemaker is a bit of a darkhorse and could surprise and be a solid #4 type.

[Angelsjunky]

i still say screw it.. if we are going to be on the hook for the luxury tax then go get both... paying the tax for one year might be worth it as Wells gives us back 18 mil after '14

Do we need both.. probably not but having Weaver, Wilson, Tanaka, Garza, Richards, Santiago, and possibly Mulder as options sets us up for a good run.

alternatively as said get more in the pen... or all of the above if we think it fits under the cap in '15.

 

I'm glad you're not GM. Not only is it enormously unrealistic to get both, but you're tying up a huge amount of money in only a handful of players for 3+ years - Pujols, Hamilton, Weaver, Wilson, Tanaka and Garza would make something like $120 million alone a year during that time.

[LetsGoAngels]

4 years at 50 million seems like an awesome get if some team could do that for a Garza type pitcher. 

[rick99gtp]

If we don't get Garza, Tanaka, or Arroyo.  What are we left with?

 

Git 'er done Jerry.

[Scott34]

Still wouldn't be happy with that but I could learn to live with it.

I don't understand where this 150M number came from. I don't think Tanaka will get that. 125 is my guess and I would prefer that.

[bloodbrother]

If we don't get Garza, Tanaka, or Arroyo.  What are we left with?

 

Git 'er done Jerry.

 

Capuano, Maholm or Hammel, most likely

[Halos of Anaheim]

Still wouldn't be happy with that but I could learn to live with it.

I don't understand where this 150M number came from. I don't think Tanaka will get that. 125 is my guess and I would prefer that.

I think most people are saying 150 including the posting fee, and you're saying 125 not including it. Tanaka will most likely get 130m + a 20m posting fee.

[Brent Maguire]

Still wouldn't be happy with that but I could learn to live with it.

I don't understand where this 150M number came from. I don't think Tanaka will get that. 125 is my guess and I would prefer that.

Cameron said 175 was the highest figure he had seen for Tanaka on his chat.

Is someone really going to pay him that much? I highly doubt it.

[gotbeer]

Cameron said 175 was the highest figure he had seen for Tanaka on his chat.

Is someone really going to pay him that much? I highly doubt it.

 

Hmm.  6 or 7 years $175 for Tanaka.  Would be the same as what Felix got, 7/$175.  Sumtin Wong.  

[Halos of Anaheim]

Hmm.  6 or 7 years $175 for Tanaka.  Would be the same as what Felix got, 7/$175.  Sumtin Wong.  

One guys a proven veteran with a CY Young under his belt, the other is unproven from another country.

[nikkachez]

Ummm if Garza is signing for 4 years/$50 million, the Angels better leap on that offer. Imagine Garza and Balfour to end a solid offseason