Dipoto Fixes Problems by Creating Bigger Ones (Angry rant)

[Inside Pitch]

Finally, just because the Astros let him go to soon doesn't mean anything. Many teams screw up. The Twins let Ortiz go in the Rule 5 draft, foolish.

 

That never happened.  Ortiz was non tendered.

Edited December 25, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[Brent Maguire]

Most people probably preferred Bourjos as a 4th outfielder but I'm fairly certain part of the reason Bourjos was traded was to let Trout handle CF on a full time basis.

Freese filled a need at 3rd and with Bourjos being expendable, the front office decided they would make the deal and have Shuck as the 4th outfielder. I likes the idea of Shuck as the 5th outfielder but I can't complain a ton about it as long as he doesn't receive a ton of AB.

[GregAlso]

That never happened. Ortiz was non tendered.

Bad memory, even proves my point more.

[NrM]

Where are people getting that he played better defense in the 2nd half? Is it based solely off of one catch?

 

Fangraphs has him at -5.7 Defensive value in the 2nd half and a -4.8 value in the 1st half.

 

Are you guys just making up stuff now?

Edited December 25, 2013 by Poozy

[Inside Pitch]

Bad memory, even proves my point more.

Not really, Twins couldn't pay to keep him so they cut bait.   Had money not been an issue they would have held on to him. 

[Brent Maguire]

Where are people getting that he played better defense in the 2nd half? Is it based solely off of one catch?

 

Fangraphs has him at -5.7 Defensive value in the 2nd half and a -4.8 value in the 2nd half.

 

Are you guys just making up stuff now?

Honestly, I assumed he was better in the 2nd half based off of what I was watching. 

 

It wasn't just the one crazy catch he had. I thought he took better routes, didn't misplay as many balls and made some good throws. The statistics don't agree with it though so maybe I'm just clueless. 

[GregAlso]

Where are people getting that he played better defense in the 2nd half? Is it based solely off of one catch?

Fangraphs has him at -5.7 Defensive value in the 2nd half and a -4.8 value in the 2nd half.

Are you guys just making up stuff now?

On "my FanGraphs" you can't get advanced fielding by halves. So not sure where you got the numbers. I saw better routes the second half and fewer misplays. I watched 70% of the games.

[NrM]

Honestly, I assumed he was better in the 2nd half based off of what I was watching. 

 

It wasn't just the one crazy catch he had. I thought he took better routes, didn't misplay as many balls and made some good throws. The statistics don't agree with it though so maybe I'm just clueless. 

 

I think stats trump everything because they are actually facts and not judgement calls

Edited December 25, 2013 by Poozy

[NrM]

On "my FanGraphs" you can't get advanced fielding by halves. So not sure where you got the numbers. I saw better routes the second half and fewer misplays. I watched 70% of the games.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=170&type=8&season=2013&month=31&season1=2013&ind=0&team=1&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=

[Brent Maguire]

I think stats trump everything because they are factual.

Agreed. 

 

I'm no scout so I generally side with statistics anyways. I just remember a bunch of plays where I thought Shuck looked way more comfortable and took better routes. The improvement looked minimal based on the stats though. 

[GregAlso]

I don't know what the "def" stat is even based on. UZR & DRS are annual stats. Usually you have to look at a larger sample size for defensive stats since they aren't the best at this time.

Let's just say his defense doesn't improve, then I'm still fine with him as a 4th OF because his bat will play. Defense is usually something players can get better at, but hitting seems to be harder to improve on.

[YouthofToday]

There are not enough opportunities in half a baseball season to see public defensive stats.

Massive sample size issues.

[NrM]

There are not enough opportunities in half a baseball season to see public defensive stats.

Massive sample size issues.

 

I agree, but when looking at his overall season, it's not very impressive.