Bourjos traded to Cardinals

[thingslkngood]

That's the kind of reaction we're getting today. What people don't know is that Bourjos was not going to net us a quality arm. Period. He was NOT going to net us a 3B better than Freese either. Sorry, but Jimenez showed decent D at 3B this past season, but his plate discipline was shit and his BA/OBP went in the shitter once opposing pitchers exposed his inability to hit the breaking ball.

and the spec while has potential and is a good spec for the Angels horrible farm system is not a great spec for the Cards so it too had minimal value

[tennischmp]

I'm allowed to post whatever I like and have several times. More negative than positive I'm sure over the past four years. I happen to like the deal because....

 

A: We get a 3B we desperately needed.

B: Kole Calhoun is the clear starter now

If you believe that Freese is the 3B we desperately needed, then you are in for a huge disappointment

[wopphil]

Referring to Rageous' post above:

 

How do you know that?  There are plenty of good players in the majors right now who hit for power but don't have the best on base percentage.  Mark Trumbo, Pedro Alvarez, Marlon Byrd, Dominic Brown, Alfonso Soriano, Brandon Moss, to name just a few. 

Edited November 22, 2013 by wopphil

[Chuck]

Then don't f'ing trade him now if you're not going to get a like valued return. It's a stupid move plain and simple.

 

 

and go into the season without a 3B?

 

We upgraded a position from a position of strength.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[Quinlanforthewin]

I'm sure it's been mentioned in the 20 pages, but Freese is also a complete moron alcoholic if that matters.  Should be a good influence on Hamilton. 

[floplag]

bourjos was not a 4th OF

 

you would play him over Calhoun?  i wouldnt, the number suggest we shouldnt so.. unless you mena he was 5th or worse, please tell me why you think he should start and who you would bench?

 

Given the assumption that Pujols is the starting 1B, which he claims to be healthy, that puts Trumbo at DH, with an OF of Hamilton, Trout, and Calhoun.. none of which i would play Borjoud over at this time.

[halobob]

Well look at it this way.  Last 2 years we were off season champs and sucked in the regular season.  Maybe being off season chumps will lead to the playoffs!

[Quinlanforthewin]

Freese is 30, horrible defensively, and had a Callaspo-esque OPS last year.  It's probably an upgrade over what we've had at 3b the last few years but not by much and he certainly wasn't worth giving away one of our good trade chips who we needed to use as part of a package on a SP. 

 

Not to mention I have zero confidence in new hitters coming to this organization and actually performing better than they have in the past.  When's the last time that happened? Juan Rivera?

[jshep]

So what is AO's shitty reliever nickname for Salas?

[Lifetime]

and go into the season without a 3B?

 

We upgraded a position from a position of strength.

oh puleese Chuck. 3B is not a big problem here. We don't have great options there right now, but that is low on the priority list. Offense is NOT the issue this team needs to address. We made a marginal upgrade in a position that wasn't critical while trading low on a very good player. 

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[mtangelsfan]

and go into the season without a 3B?

 

We upgraded a position from a position of strength.

 

Did we upgrade from what we had in Callaspo?  His defense is not good, right?

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[Marsaka]

and go into the season without a 3B?

 

We upgraded a position from a position of strength.

 

What was the point?  It's going to be another 3rd place finish with this pitching staff and Mike Scioscia helping the other team win with his stupid in game swaps.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[Richard]

I reserve judgment on this deal because I am all about getting Calhoun in the lineup and doing anything to secure Mike Trout long term, but comparing it anywhere near the Wells deal is straight garbage.

[bloodbrother]

Freese is 30, horrible defensively, and had a Callaspo-esque OPS last year.  It's probably an upgrade over what we've had at 3b the last few years but not by much and he certainly wasn't worth giving away one of our good trade chips who we needed to use as part of a package on a SP. 

 

Not to mention I have zero confidence in new hitters coming to this organization and actually performing better than they have in the past.  When's the last time that happened? Juan Rivera?

 

He'll likely help improve the offense a bit. That's it. He'll help make this defense worse, which is just spectacular since it was already bad to begin with. Dipoto better be trading for some pitchers who can strike batters out, because we don't want them putting the ball in play too much with these guys on the field

[Mudville]

Grichuck is not a standout player. He is an outfielder, something the Angels have a surplus of, that is a low walk and high strikeout rate. He may have been a high rated prospect in the Angels organization but he is not a nationally ranked top 100 prospect. He didn't even get an honorable mention in Sickels 2013 top 150 prospects. Cowart was rated 68th.

 

So enough with the hand wringing as if the Angels didn't put together a deal that favors what they need just because Grichuk was added to the deal.

[tennischmp]

and go into the season without a 3B?

 

We upgraded a position from a position of strength.

Yes our offense is good enough to withstand a weak 3B if we improve pitching. We need better pitching and better defense. Jimenez fills the better defense part of the need.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[nate]

You do realize it is ok for people to disagree with you on this trade right?

 

Bourjos was a very fast OF that took bad routes and made up for it with speed.  He was an average to above bat that struck out a ton.  Despite blazing speed he had no clue how to steal bases.  Holding onto him does nothing.  His value wont increase on the bench or platooning with Calhoun.  Finally, Trout prefers playing CF so we should probably appease him a bit eh?  Freese is an upgrade at 3b at worst and a big upgrade at best.

 

The problem with this trade is dumping Grichuk for a worthless pitcher that probably wont even be with the team by July.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Geoff

[DB24]

I’m cool with the Bourjous and Freese trade.

 

But the Grichuk and Salas trade is a bit of Head scratcher.

 

I still believe Dipoto...hope he land us solid SP soon. Without getting gutted of course.

Edited November 22, 2013 by DB24

[The Dude]

Wow...

 

My initial  reaction to the trade is somewhere in between total disbelief and Hate it. So one of the teams few trade pieces is gone and the pitching still sucks. I don't see how the Angels improved much if at all with this deal. Since when was 3B  a top priority? From what I remember the issues were having a 2 man rotation and a total lack of effective bullpen arms. This feels like the V-Dub trade all over. I'm not going toalt doom and gloom...yet, However this was not an ideal beginning to the offseason.

[Chris]

SS - Aybar

2B - Kendrick

CF - Trout

1B - Pujols

LF - Hamilton

DH - Trumbo

RF - Calhoun

3B - Freese

C - Iannetta/Conger

 

sick!

 

but our pitching still stinks

[Lifetime]

you would play him over Calhoun?  i wouldnt, the number suggest we shouldnt so.. unless you mena he was 5th or worse, please tell me why you think he should start and who you would bench?

 

Given the assumption that Pujols is the starting 1B, which he claims to be healthy, that puts Trumbo at DH, with an OF of Hamilton, Trout, and Calhoun.. none of which i would play Borjoud over at this time.

Damn straight I would. He's a better defender with a good bat when healthy. I would absolutely put him out there over Calhoun. 

[tdawg87]

So what is AO's shitty reliever nickname for Salas?

Salass.

Salad-tosser..

Suckass

[wopphil]

This is actually a great point.  I didn't realize he had two DUIs in his past.  I wonder how often he drives drunk and doesn't actually get caught. 

[tennischmp]

and the spec while has potential and is a good spec for the Angels horrible farm system is not a great spec for the Cards so it too had minimal value

World Series since Pujols left:

Cardinals: 0

Angels: 0

[jshep]

Salass.

Salad-tosser..

Suckass

 

Oh god, please let it be Salad-Tosser.