Back to our country being a murderous entity

[mtangelsfan]

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/22/21065224-white-house-admits-killing-civilians-with-drone-strikes-denies-breaking-law?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

 

 

We keep killing innocent civilians with our drones. 

 

Then we wonder why Al Quaida keeps getting recruits.  Are we any better than them?

[TobiasFunke]

Short answer, no

[mtangelsfan]

That's kind of what I'm thinking.  So while we complain about those who are non violent in Islam not doing anything about those who are.

 

 

What are we doing or saying about our own crap?

[Scott34]

We actually agree on something.

[mtangelsfan]

That was my biggest issue with being involved in Syria Scott.

 

I don't trust our government to do anything for the right reason right now.  Since WWII I can't remember a place where our milary left a place better than what is was before we got there.

 

( and since we basically sold out eastern europe to the soviet union I'm not sure we could even say that)

[Adam]

Our government is pretty shitty

[TobiasFunke]

That's kind of what I'm thinking.  So while we complain about those who are non violent in Islam not doing anything about those who are.

 

 

What are we doing or saying about our own crap?

[Taylor]

Ugh.

[Blarg]

Let me be the first to say, Thanks Obama.

[Bruce Nye]

Our government is pretty shitty

 

The Post Office and Obamacare seem to be working fine.  I read today the P.O. defaulted on $65 billion, but that's okay - many days I don't have someone else's mail. 

[TobiasFunke]

People are great to deflect the topic at hand

[mtangelsfan]

yep, drone warfare is just the latest incarnation.

 

Is Obama just as guilty?  Yes.  Is he more guilty?  Of course not!

 

Please people, this is our history. 

[arch stanton]

Recruitment is really secondary here. Just like we always find a rallying cry to get our recruits they will always manage to get theirs as well.

 

To me the issue is us deciding what principles we stand for and living by them. How many women, children, old men, livestock are we willing to kill and call it necessary collateral damage in the name of our security?

 

If we're going to sit in a windowless room in the Nevada desert and shoot fish in a barrel 9,000 miles away then how accurate should we aim to be? Or maybe the powers that be think it sends a proper message that even being in the same province with these people we deem high value targets is a potential death sentence and it's their responsibility to help us isolate them for more precise slaughter?

Edited October 23, 2013 by arch stanton

[TobiasFunke]

To me the bigger question is our plan of action in these countries. I see no difference in collateral damage via drone strikes as I do collateral damage via soldiers on the ground.

[mtangelsfan]

Is it really in the name of our security though?  Well, I guess that is what they say it is the name of but I don't really buy it.

 

For me, the idea that the country I live in is responsible for so much death and destruction is tragic and embarassing.  I feel pretty damn helpless about it and pretty mad too.

[arch stanton]

That's the problem. We're not at war with any country.

[Tank]

Our government is pretty shitty

And it keeps getting worse and worse. How are we supposed to trust our leaders who can be bought and sold so easily in Washington? How do we trust a president who uses forces the citizenry into a healthcare system that is going to cost more than we've been told, and where those who don't join up are penalized? Our national cesspool is full, but the people with the shovels just keep throwing more crap onto the pile.

[Jay]

Can't wait for the new Oliver Stone movie, "Drone"

[RallyMo]

Can't wait for the new Oliver Stone movie, "Drone"

Get Cage on board and I'll purchase my ticket now.

[Lhalo]

How much money are we going to pour into this place?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-iraq-security-idUSBRE99O0JG20131025

"The first thing the Prime Minister will ask for is to accelerate the processes for the shipment of drones and F-16s," said Safa al-Sheikh Hussein in an interview with Reuters.

"The initial response from the U.S. was positive, but it depends on the delivery time. We want them immediately."

[mtangelsfan]

Wait a minute, we are going to give drones to another country?

 

Awesome. 

 

Arms dealer "R" Us

[TobiasFunke]

We've been arms dealer "r" us for the past 70+ years MT. This is nothing new.

[mtangelsfan]

I know, I just don't like to be reminded.  The idea of drones in the hands of the Iraqi government doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Edited October 25, 2013 by mtangelsfan

[HaloMagic]

Not sure why you didn't include the Korean War. That was the start of our modern day terrorizing. Really though, we've been doing it since we came to this continent.