Saltzer's Shots: Ban A-Rod for Life

[Lifetime]

There's some confidentiality in the drug policy but I don't think that applies to PED violations. Quite clearly they can disclose that a person failed a PED test and that they are being suspended for the violation. If that weren't the case the MLBPA would be raising hell. 

[arch stanton]

How indeed? They work for him so it would be pretty tough, I'm sure.

 

Section 5, Paragraph A says all parties are prohibited from publicly disclosing information. If you can't narrow it down then start from the top.

[Lifetime]

Well again, quite clearly that isn't absolute confidentiality. And I don't believe any details of the case against Arod in regards to the drug policy have been disclosed. 

[mancini79]

Why does that matter? There needs to be some kind of rule that justifies how much abuse gets you how many games suspended. You can't just be pulling numbers out of a hat saying X amount of incidents gets you banned for life and X amount of incidents only gets you 50 games. I'd like to see where exactly these lines are being drawn.

 

MLB have been pulling numbers out of a hat for suspension for ages. Bumping an ump, throwing a punch, beaning a player, etc all do not a definitive set of games. If a player doesn't like the suspension, they can appeal. MLB has disclosed that this isn't the usual PED case spelled out in the CBA. There were actions by some of these players that call for additional violations. These violations do not have a predetermined number of games.

[arch stanton]

Well again, quite clearly that isn't absolute confidentiality. And I don't believe any details of the case against Arod in regards to the drug policy have been disclosed. 

Stop

[mancini79]

Just heard on MLBTV that the ARod camp offered a 100 game ban and then a required retirement. But he would be able to keep the entire contract of the $$$. Talk about a delusional camp fighting for ARod.

[Lifetime]

Stop what?

[mancini79]

Reports state that Selig will not invoke his CBA clause to prevent ARod from playing if he chooses to appeal. Looks like ARod will be in the Yankee locker room tomorrow.

[2002_halos_II]

"We don't know what evidence MLB has yet, so it's a bit premature to throw the arbitrator under the bus." 

 

Don't you think it's premature to throw A-Rod under the bus too?

 

Can't stand that guy but it  appears to me that Selig is intent on helping the Swankees void A-Rod's contract.

[sneaky_flute]

i'm pretty sure tony bosch identified himself as a doctor, so the players should take this to court and have the whole thing thrown out.

[Lifetime]

They have no grounds to have it thrown out whether he presented himself as a doctor or not.

[sneaky_flute]

if they're deceived by someone they believe to be a doctor, they could argue that they had no idea what they were getting.

[fan_since79]

What's going to be sad is when A-Rod passes Stan Musial in RBI. He only needs one to tie him. Musial was the epitome of integrity both on and off the field. 

 

Girardi has already said A-Rod will be in the lineup if he appeals his suspension. I'd like to see what Selig will do about that. My feeling is he doesn't want A-Rod to have another major-league at-bat.

[Lifetime]

if they're deceived by someone they believe to be a doctor, they could argue that they had no idea what they were getting.

they still would have been in violation whether it was a doctor or not. It makes no difference.

[sneaky_flute]

he could have advertised something as a new herbal remedy but in reality it was a big pack of roids that they unknowingly took.

[Lifetime]

Read this slowly, IT DOESN'T MATTER

[mancini79]

So ARod was recruiting players to Bosch for the incredible new "herbal treatment"??

[sneaky_flute]

so it wouldn't matter if they thought they were buying an herbal remedy but it was actually recorded as a steroid in his ledger?

[Lifetime]

You didn't read it slowly did you?

[mp170.6]

I'd be willing to bet the lifetime ban threat wasn't because of his PED use, but because of his supposed attempts to persuade Biogenesis staff to destroy evidence.  

 

Anything other than that, and I don't think he'd be negotiating at all.  

 

I'm curious to know how MLB found Tony Bosch and his sloppy recordkeeping reliable at the start of the investigation?

 

Here's a guy with no job, presumably no income, under investigation by the Feds, and most certainly no longer employable by the time the story broke.  And it took MLB weeks as I recall, to locate Bosch before offering him large sums of cash for records and testimony.  I'd be really leery about Bosch fabricating new record books in that time gap to get more money from MLB. 

 

What would he have to lose at that point?

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

arod playing Monday.

[mancini79]

I'm pretty sure MLB knows exactly what drugs these players were taking and have evidence the players also knew. All it takes is an email/invoice with the name of the drug connected to a certain player. Doesn't matter the qualifications of the person supplying the drugs.

[mancini79]

I'm curious to know how MLB found Tony Bosch and his sloppy recordkeeping reliable at the start of the investigation?

 

Here's a guy with no job, presumably no income, under investigation by the Feds, and most certainly no longer employable by the time the story broke.  And it took MLB weeks as I recall, to locate Bosch before offering him large sums of cash for records and testimony.  I'd be really leery about Bosch fabricating new record books in that time gap to get more money from MLB. 

 

What would he have to lose at that point?

 

MLB haven't given Bosch a dime. So there goes that theory.

[mp170.6]

I'm pretty sure MLB knows exactly what drugs these players were taking and have evidence the players also knew. All it takes is an email/invoice with the name of the drug connected to a certain player. Doesn't matter the qualifications of the person supplying the drugs.

 

Yes, but me or you could fabricate a fictitious invoice in about 10 minutes on a computer.

[fan_since79]

arod playing Monday.

And probably for the next month at least. There are reports that Selig will not use his CBA powers to stop him from playing during the appeals process, which could take some time.

 

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/08/04/report-yankees-told-a-rod-will-be-suspended-monday-selig-wont-use-cba-powers/