It’s time we consider signing Trevor Bauer

[Taylor]

17 minutes ago, cals said:

My assumption is he hasn’t sued MLB because he’s still hoping to get a job in MLB.  Ultimately he may sue them.  

I don’t do labor law, but his status as being a union member and also the antitrust exemption may ultimately play a role here.  But maybe not, I’m just kind of spitballing.

I'll ask my brother who's a lawyer.

[Chuck]

Marcel Ozuna was charged with a DUI & arrested in 2021 for aggravated assault strangulation & misdemeanor battery family violence charges. He was allegedly seen by police grabbing a woman’s neck & throwing her against a wall.

He was put on probation and suspended by MLB for 20 games. 

Time served. All is good. 

Yet, Trevor Bauer is still out of work, cleared of all charges. 

What gives?

[jsnpritchett]

1 hour ago, Chuck said:

Marcel Ozuna was charged with a DUI & arrested in 2021 for aggravated assault strangulation & misdemeanor battery family violence charges. He was allegedly seen by police grabbing a woman’s neck & throwing her against a wall.

He was put on probation and suspended by MLB for 20 games. 

Time served. All is good. 

Yet, Trevor Bauer is still out of work, cleared of all charges. 

What gives?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think MLB has a formal DUI policy, oddly enough.  As for the domestic violence charges against Ozuna, he entered a diversion program and the charges were ultimately dropped after he completed all of the requirements.  It's not a great look for him or the Braves, but he did what was required of him and doesn't have a history of DV beyond the incident for which he was initially charged (just so anyone doesn't misconstrue what I'm saying: one incident is obviously too many).

On Bauer, I'll say again for about the 20th time: I would wager that the totality of the evidence that MLB has of his past encounters with multiple women (even if no single incident rises to the level of legal criminality) makes teams unwilling to take the risk of signing him, especially when he comes with a lot of PR challenges. 

You can argue that it's not fair to Bauer that he's being kept from playing for things he might do versus Ozuna being allowed to play despite things he's actually done--but the reality is, there's a collectively bargained process for DV that Ozuna has gone through, and the Braves have assessed that whatever negative PR is associated with him is ultimately outweighed by his contributions on the field.  Obviously, no team yet feels like that same weighing process favors signing Bauer.

 

Edited April 18 by jsnpritchett

[m0nkey]

Ozuna from the Braves?

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think MLB has a formal DUI policy, oddly enough.  As for the domestic violence charges against Ozuna, he entered a diversion program and the charges were ultimately dropped after he completed all of the requirements.  It's not a great look for him or the Braves, but he did what was required of him and doesn't have a history of DV beyond the incident for which he was initially charged (just so anyone doesn't misconstrue what I'm saying: one incident is obviously too many).

On Bauer, I'll say again for about the 20th time: I would wager that the totality of the evidence that MLB has of his past encounters with multiple women (even if no single incident rises to the level of legal criminality) makes teams unwilling to take the risk of signing him, especially when he comes with a lot of PR challenges. 

You can argue that it's not fair to Bauer that he's being kept from playing for things he might do versus Ozuna being allowed to play despite things he's actually done--but the reality is, there's a collectively bargained process for DV that Ozuna has gone through, and the Braves have assessed that whatever negative PR is associated with him is ultimately outweighed by his contributions on the field.  Obviously, no team yet feels like that same weighing process favors signing Bauer.

 

The Bauer Power Hour doesn't care if Bauer has sexually harassed 100 women.

[katie]

Interesting relationship he has with his agent. 
 

 

 

 

[ScottT]

Lindsey seems like a rational, reasonable person.

[Blarg]

24 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Lindsey seems like a rational, reasonable person.

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Chuck said:

Marcel Ozuna was charged with a DUI & arrested in 2021 for aggravated assault strangulation & misdemeanor battery family violence charges. He was allegedly seen by police grabbing a woman’s neck & throwing her against a wall.

He was put on probation and suspended by MLB for 20 games. 

Time served. All is good. 

Yet, Trevor Bauer is still out of work, cleared of all charges. 

What gives?

i think bauer has a legit legal claim based on how the league has treated former dodger pitcher, julio urias along with ozuna. urias has been arrested twice for DV, serving a 20 game suspension after his 2019 arrest and being suspended for the rest of the '23 season (there's the potential for a longer suspension if he signs with a team). 

i think the strength of bauer's case is that he was was suspended so severely in comparison to other players in a similar situation, but they ended up serving a smaller suspension after being found guilty, while bauer served a much longer suspension while having the chargers dismissed (someone who's better at wording this legally may want to take a crack at the point i'm trying to make). the fact that bauer is a doosh or is unlikeable shouldn't have been a factor in his punishment, but it sure seems like it was. 

[ScottT]

I think his relationship with Rachel Luba is irrelevant. 

I wonder what Lindsey Hill did to get those ig posts.

[jsnpritchett]

20 minutes ago, Tank said:

i think bauer has a legit legal claim based on how the league has treated former dodger pitcher, julio urias along with ozuna. urias has been arrested twice for DV, serving a 20 game suspension after his 2019 arrest and being suspended for the rest of the '23 season (there's the potential for a longer suspension if he signs with a team). 

i think the strength of bauer's case is that he was was suspended so severely in comparison to other players in a similar situation, but they ended up serving a smaller suspension after being found guilty, while bauer served a much longer suspension while having the chargers dismissed (someone who's better at wording this legally may want to take a crack at the point i'm trying to make). the fact that bauer is a doosh or is unlikeable shouldn't have been a factor in his punishment, but it sure seems like it was. 

Again, have you considered that whatever MLB uncovered in their investigation is much worse/occurred more frequently than what is publicly known? 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, katie said:

Interesting relationship he has with his agent. 
 

 

 

 

The only woman who knows who he is and will touch him, is the woman he pays.

[Tank]

6 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Again, have you considered that whatever MLB uncovered in their investigation is much worse/occurred more frequently than what is publicly known? 

it certainly sounds possible. no doubt there's probably a pretty fine legal line about what information they can release publicly, but it seems like they would have said something by now, or that someone else would have found information (like TMZ who always seems to be ahead of the game on a lot of this stuff). 

[ScottT]

Lindsey touched him.

smiled afterwards 

[ScottT]

What does Bauers relationship with Luba have to do with the Hll situation and his MLB situation?

Anyone....

[jsnpritchett]

30 minutes ago, Tank said:

it certainly sounds possible. no doubt there's probably a pretty fine legal line about what information they can release publicly, but it seems like they would have said something by now, or that someone else would have found information (like TMZ who always seems to be ahead of the game on a lot of this stuff). 

There's no incentive for MLB to say anything else about it unless they're compelled to for some reason.  They've said he has served his suspension and any team is free to sign him.  As an institution, there's nothing else for them to say.  If teams aren't signing him, that's their right.  You cannot force an individual team to sign a player.

[ScottT]

16 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Lindsey touched him.

smiled afterwards 

Its true, @Taylor

[Make Angels Great Again]

44 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

There's no incentive for MLB to say anything else about it unless they're compelled to for some reason.  They've said he has served his suspension and any team is free to sign him.  As an institution, there's nothing else for them to say.  If teams aren't signing him, that's their right.  You cannot force an individual team to sign a player.

how would a sports organization have more incriminating information than law enforcement were able to find through a high profile legal proceeding? Do you actually think that’s it’s likely enough to be worth consideration?

[Just Sayin]

Keep him on short leash and bring him onboard.

 

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

how would a sports organization have more incriminating information than law enforcement were able to find through a high profile legal proceeding? Do you actually think that’s it’s likely enough to be worth consideration?

Yes, actually.  As I've said numerous times, it's entirely possible that they have information about women from several locations/jurisdictions and that no individual incident reaches a threshold for a local prosecutor to want to formally press charges.  But maybe the totality of the information they have is enough to scare off teams from signing him.  Why is that so hard to believe?

[ScottT]

5 minutes ago, Just Sayin said:

Keep him on short leash and bring him onboard.

 

What is a short leash?  A team supervised instagram account?   No rough sex contract?

[ScottT]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Yes, actually.  As I've said numerous times, it's entirely possible that they have information about women from several locations/jurisdictions and that no individual incident reaches a threshold for a local prosecutor to want to formally press charges.  But maybe the totality of the information they have is enough to scare off teams from signing him.  Why is that so hard to believe?

Yeah, and that information may not me reliable.  See the very recent example from AZ

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, ScottT said:

Yeah, and that information may not me reliable.  See the very recent example from AZ

That is certainly a possibility.  It's just odd to me that some folks seem to think that every team would just randomly decide not to sign him for no particular reason.  Either they have more info than is publicly available, they just don't want the hassle that might come from signing him, or both--and in any of those three cases, it's perfectly fine if teams don't want to sign him. 

[Just Sayin]

6 minutes ago, ScottT said:

What is a short leash?  A team supervised instagram account?   No rough sex contract?

We have a Baseball Team.  We have needs.  We need to play over .500 ball.  We need a pitcher.  Sign him.  Let he who is without sin cast the first …… uhhhh …..pitch…or something like that

anyways…I’m just sayin

[ScottT]

8 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

That is certainly a possibility.  It's just odd to me that some folks seem to think that every team would just randomly decide not to sign him for no particular reason.  Either they have more info than is publicly available, they just don't want the hassle that might come from signing him, or both--and in any of those three cases, it's perfectly fine if teams don't want to sign him. 

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