Trout, Ohtani, and... Machado?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

6 hours ago, VladdyforHOF said:

To get a superstar FA it usually requires eating the backend of the contract as the standard now seems to be 10 year contracts for early 30's FAs.

Any GM who gives a ten year contract to a player in his early 30s is insane. You are guaranteed to kill your team's chances of winning for the last 4-5 years of the deal (unless you're the Dodgers or the Yankees with unlimited money).

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Any GM who gives a ten year contract to a player in his early 30s is insane. You are guaranteed to kill your team's chances of winning for the last 4-5 years of the deal (unless you're the Dodgers or the Yankees with unlimited money).

We know this all too well.

[TempeAngel]

20 hours ago, gotbeer said:

He's 31 after this year.  He's walking away from 4 more years at $30 million.  So safe to say he's looking for a longer contract.  He's in his prime now, but the backend will be brutal.  

 

5 years...

 

ar	Age	Tm	Salary	SrvTm	Sources	Notes/Other Sources
Career to date (may be incomplete)			$142,062,000	Does not include future salaries
2013	20	Baltimore Orioles	$495,000	0.056
2014	21	Baltimore Orioles	$519,000	1.056	contracts
2015	22	Baltimore Orioles	$548,000	2.056	contracts
2016	23	Baltimore Orioles	$5,000,000	3.056
2017	24	Baltimore Orioles	$11,500,000	4.056	contracts
2018	25	Baltimore Orioles	$16,000,000	5.056
2019	26	San Diego Padres	$12,000,000	6.056	contract
2020	27	San Diego Padres	$32,000,000	7.056	contract
2021	28	San Diego Padres	$32,000,000	8.056	contract
2022	29	San Diego Padres	$32,000,000	9.056	contract
2023	30	San Diego Padres	$32,000,000	10.056	may opt out after 2023
2024	31	San Diego Padres	*$32,000,000		$32M Player Option contingent on opt-out opportunity after 2023
2025	32	San Diego Padres	*$32,000,000		$32M Player Option contingent on opt-out opportunity after 2023
2026	33	San Diego Padres	*$32,000,000		$32M Player Option contingent on opt-out opportunity after 2023
2027	34	San Diego Padres	*$32,000,000		$32M Player Option contingent on opt-out opportunity after 2023
2028	35	San Diego Padres	*$32,000,000		$32M Player Option contingent on opt-out opportunity after 2023
		Earliest Free Agent: 2024

 

 

[Biergott]

No thanks.  Can’t stand that dude.  His attitude stinks and think of the heat Garret Anderson took, Fanny Fachado would be worse.

Focus on getting Ohtani as an Angel for life

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Biergott said:

No thanks.  Can’t stand that dude.  His attitude stinks and think of the heat Garret Anderson took, Fanny Fachado would be worse.

Focus on getting Ohtani as an Angel for life

That reputation could be valid in his early days but not since he moved to SD. 

[gotbeer]

Report: Manny Machado Asking For $400 Million From Padres

 

[Revad]

12:29pm: A source tells MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes that the report of Machado seeking a 10-year, $400 million extension is incorrect.  It is not known specifically what Machado is seeking, or whether his camp made a counteroffer to the Padres’ offer to add five years and $105MM to his existing contract.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/padres-manny-machado-were-reportedly-145mm-apart-in-extension-talks.html

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

Clubhouse cancer and expensive mid career hitter?  GTFO

[Stradling]

10 hours ago, cysomeawfulpitcher said:

Clubhouse cancer and expensive mid career hitter?  GTFO

He has had no issues in the clubhouse of the Padres and that “mid career hitter” is going to the HOF. 

[Stradling]

Since 2018 Machado has a 138 OPS+
Since 2018 Shohei has a 139 OPS+

[oldguy]

On 2/17/2023 at 11:05 AM, gotbeer said:

He's 31 after this year.  He's walking away from 4 more years at $30 million.  So safe to say he's looking for a longer contract.  He's in his prime now, but the backend will be brutal.  

Trout is also going to be 31 after this year.  And his health is already a downhill spiral.  

So having two players, who will probably be Pujolesque at the same time, eatting a huge amount of your salary, looks like a win now gamble (except for the Angels aren't winning) and paying for it in the future.

3 players.  Unfortunately, we have to include Rendon in the "Pujolesque" scenario.

[TempeAngel]

He would be walking away from 5/$162 M. 

I doubt he would get 10/$400 M. but I do think he would be able to re-enter the market and get more than 5/$162 M - maybe 7/$259.

This could also be nothing more than Machado getting it out there to help negotiate an extension with the Padres.

[IheartLA]

Machado only needs to beat $150m/5y. He got a $20m signing bonus his first year which is amortized over the life of the contract for accounting purposes. He’s the same age as Bogaerts and the better player so I can’t see him signing for less than him.
 

He prob saw Judge at the same age get a rumored $400m from the padres so he thought as the franchise player he should get as much. He will prob get a ~$325m offer from someone though if he waits.

[Jason]

On 2/17/2023 at 6:02 PM, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Any GM who gives a ten year contract to a player in his early 30s is insane. You are guaranteed to kill your team's chances of winning for the last 4-5 years of the deal (unless you're the Dodgers or the Yankees with unlimited money).

The Ohtani signing is going to fall under this

[Revad]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

The Ohtani signing is going to fall under this

It’s a huge risk for whichever team signs him.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Revad said:

It’s a huge risk for whichever team signs him.

FWIW. I think the Halos should take the risk

[AngelStew43]

Take care of Ohtani first.  As it was pointed out earlier, Neto should be ready to take over SS, perhaps as early as 2024.  We have Rendon under contract for 4 more seasons.  So, if the Angels are to spend anywhere, it should be to bolster the pitching staff first, then see where else the team needs reinforcements. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

4 hours ago, Jason said:

The Ohtani signing is going to fall under this

Ohtani has already shown a propensity to injury. Ten year contracts are foolish.

[Jason]

14 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Ohtani has already shown a propensity to injury. Ten year contracts are foolish.

I agree but it will take at least 10 to keep him. I guess it depends on how bad Minasian wants to keep him here 

[Blarg]

Does anyone really know how long Ohtani wants to continue his career? Maybe he just wants to achieve goals and a specific time frame isn't necessary. 

[Jason]

22 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Does anyone really know how long Ohtani wants to continue his career? Maybe he just wants to achieve goals and a specific time frame isn't necessary. 

Everyone else wants these long term contracts so it’s safe to assume he wants the same. It’s possible he doesn’t want a long term one though 

[Torridd]

21 hours ago, cysomeawfulpitcher said:

Clubhouse cancer and expensive mid career hitter?  GTFO

What movie is this? It was probably one of Denzel's comedies, which I generally don't watch.

[tomsred]

Manny is exactly what we don't need, the focus should be on younger players.

[gotbeer]

6 hours ago, Blarg said:

Does anyone really know how long Ohtani wants to continue his career? Maybe he just wants to achieve goals and a specific time frame isn't necessary. 

You would have to think at least long enough to be the second Japanese player to make the HOF.  For as amazing as he's been.  He only has 2 full seasons under his belt.  Longevity is a big part of being a HOFer.  

[TempeAngel]

On 2/22/2023 at 9:46 AM, TempeAngel said:

This could also be nothing more than Machado getting it out there to help negotiate an extension with the Padres.