Angels trade Brandon Marsh to the Phillies for Logan O'Hoppe

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

51 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

HE is ROGER LODGE'S Booty Calls kid....

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

They already misspelled his name on his jersey Oh'oops

[Docwaukee]

Neto is top 100.  Bachman probably will be if he finishes strong.  Quero has a good shot but most publications won't rank a teenager in A ball who wasn't drafted in the first round or signed for a shit ton of money.  

[yamsi12]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

Our Outfield defense is now beyond terrible and I doubt Trout will be in CF anymore. 

Not impossible to fix in an offseason, but hope there is an actual plan. 

Aaron Judge.

 

A very Arte move.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

11 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Perry has a chance to make it right in the off-season, regarding MLB manager/coaches.

Make sure everyone is on the same page, and treat ST 2023 as starting over with no looking back.

AO, he isn't long for here either.... He didn't get to choose his guy already once! Why would Arte give him a chance in his 3rd season ever as a GM?

[DMVol]

 

With all due respect to everyone in this this thread, there is no way to know now whether this is a good trade or not. Two young guys who have a lot of upside. One may work out, neither may work out or both may work out….kind of an odd trade  for the Angels (not so much for the Phils) but it certainly isn’t a Vernon Wells stinker that most thought was terrible from the start….

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, ScottSted said:

Wait until you hear how many years of control O'Hoppe has 

You guys are talking like O Hoppe is a sure thing

  If that's the case it's a good move.  Although many "sure things" aren't sure things.

 

[Warfarin]

16 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I’m not sure where the confusion lies. I’m not sure if this is good or bad — at this point I see it as a lateral move — but it makes a certain kind of sense.

Maybe the Angels feel like O’Hoppe is almost ready to platoon with Stassi. It certainly (potentially) fills one of their biggest holes next year.

It also implies that they’re going all-in on Adell. The end result remains to be seen, but the upside is still there. Hopefully they give him some starts in center.

While Marsh was no longer a prospect, he was essentially one in the sense of club control, so I look at this as a prospect-for-prospect trade of sorts.

We basically cashed in a CF prospect for a C prospect.  Given that we are committed to Trout in CF, and Ward is basically our RF, Marsh wasn't really necessary.  LF should be one of the easiest spots to fill on a club.

Given that this team has been hurting for catching depth, I think this is a worthwhile trade.  O'Hoppe could be ready by the end of next year.  Quero is very promising, but he's about 4 years or so away, which is a long time (and also a lot of room for failure along the way, given how far away he is).

If you look at Minasian's pedigree - Blue Jays, Braves - they invest a lot in their catching depth/pipeline, so this deal should come as no real surprise in that regard.

We'll see how it pans out, but I see why the move was made.  Our OF pipeline has been weakened, but with 2 spots already accounted for, we could afford to part with Marsh in exchange for a legit catching prospect.

[Lou]

Just now, stormngt said:

You guys are talking like O Hoppe is a sure thing

  If that's the case it's a good move.  Although many "sure things" aren't sure things.

 

Like Marsh.

[Vlad27Trout27]

well seems like all the professions are saying that the angels should have been patient with Marsh.....

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Desperately need a 2nd catcher who can supplant Stassi after a year or so.  O’Hoppe may well be that guy.

Quero may still be 3 years away.

If we do not make him an OFer...

[Angelsjunky]

7 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

While Marsh was no longer a prospect, he was essentially one in the sense of club control, so I look at this as a prospect-for-prospect trade of sorts.

We basically cashed in a CF prospect for a C prospect.  Given that we are committed to Trout in CF, and Ward is basically our RF, Marsh wasn't really necessary.  LF should be one of the easiest spots to fill on a club.

Given that this team has been hurting for catching depth, I think this is a worthwhile trade.  O'Hoppe could be ready by the end of next year.  Quero is very promising, but he's about 4 years or so away, which is a long time (and also a lot of room for failure along the way, given how far away he is).

If you look at Minasian's pedigree - Blue Jays, Braves - they invest a lot in their catching depth/pipeline, so this deal should come as no real surprise in that regard.

We'll see how it pans out, but I see why the move was made.  Our OF pipeline has been weakened, but with 2 spots already accounted for, we could afford to part with Marsh in exchange for a legit catching prospect.

Yes, agreed. I see Marsh's upside as higher than O'Hoppe's, but O'Hoppe's floor as probably higher, if only because his floor--a decent platoon catcher--is more valuable than Marsh's (4th outfielder).

So now we have:

2023-24 (Maybe 2025): Stassi/O'Hoppe

2025/26-on: O'Hoppe/Quero

The biggest downside is that "O'Hoppe" is annoying to type.

[Angelsjunky]

Maybe the Phillies miss Jayson Werth.

[tdawg87]

I'm just going on record and saying that posts like "There is no O'Hoppe" or "I O'Hoppe he works out" are not funny. 

Pancake jokes are in, however.

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Maybe the Phillies miss Jayson Werth.

 

5 hours ago, T.G. said:

The Phillies must have Marsh confused with Jayson Werth

 

[Amazing Larry]

13 minutes ago, stormngt said:

You guys are talking like O Hoppe is a sure thing

  If that's the case it's a good move.  Although many "sure things" aren't sure things.

Molly Sanders was back when I was in high school. Easiest lay I ever had.

[Angelsjunky]

Like most trades, we're not going to know how this turns out for a few years. Maybe Marsh thrives in Philly and we all freak out, and then O'Hoppe reaches the majors and hits a few HR and we breathe a sigh of relief. Or maybe Marsh continues to suck and we laugh in schadenfreude, but then O'Hoppe can't match Mendoza in the majors and we cry bitter tears.

 

[Docwaukee]

 Ok then.  I'm going for the future @Lou here.  

This trade was stupid.  I'm saying that Marsh will end up a much better player and on top of that, I just don't get how a AA catcher is gonna bring us actual value in the window we need it.  

I think the Phils got a steal here.  Elite defender with positive value even though he hasn't shown his upside at the plate.  

Some are geeked about having a top 100 prospect.  Sweet.  

Marsh was already a highly useful player.  

[ScottM]

27 minutes ago, stormngt said:

You guys are talking like O Hoppe is a sure thing

  If that's the case it's a good move.  Although many "sure things" aren't sure things.

 

Marsh isn't a sure thing. He has a full year of MLB play and his OPS+ is 82 

[stormngt]

26 minutes ago, Lou said:

Like Marsh.

Yes....but I don't give up on a player that was known for understanding the strike zone and then strikes out too often like the entire team.  That sounds like a coaching problem.

 

[stormngt]

Just now, ScottSted said:

Marsh isn't a sure thing. He has a full year of MLB play and his OPS+ is 82 

Yea, add these two months into it where the entire team sucked.  This problem is not Marsh but the entire organization. 

Let's see how it turns out.

[ScottM]

1 minute ago, stormngt said:

This problem is not Marsh but the entire organization. 

Agree with you there

[Warfarin]

10 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Yes....but I don't give up on a player that was known for understanding the strike zone and then strikes out too often like the entire team.  That sounds like a coaching problem.

 

I'm not sure they necessarily gave up on him.  I think they flipped him to help fill a position they felt needed significant improvement (catching).  O'Hoppe projects to be a starting catcher.  Sure, that's no guarantee, but neither was Marsh.  I think Minasian's pedigree suggests he highly values catching depth/pipeline, so I think he used what he perceived to be a good trade chip to help strengthen an area that he highly values.

This was basically a prospect-for-prospect swap of sorts.

[mmc]

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

6 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

He looks Amish there. Should be welcomed in Pennsylvania I would think.