Former Angels Hitting Analysis Coordinator, Ryan Parker, sounds off about the Angels on Twitter: "Perry [is] likely itching to can Maddon so he can put Ray Montgomery as the manager."

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, angelsnationtalk said:

If anything, he's attached to the idea of Maddon. Just like Rendon, Pujols and Hamilton.. He's attached to the name that makes the headlines.

He’s also attached to Trout and Ohtani. 

[angelsnationtalk]

Just now, Stradling said:

He’s also attached to Trout and Ohtani. 

Haven't seen the new contract offer for Ohtani, but I get your point.

[Lou]

10 hours ago, Stradling said:

If they didn’t pick up next years option then it’s the remainder of his salary for this year. 

This is all I was able to ring about the 2023 option: 

" A nice playoff run and World Series appearance triggers a $4 million vesting option"

[Angel Oracle]

8 hours ago, ukyah said:

i don't think they fire maddon at all. firing the manager for a losing streak is dumb. firing him for poor seasonal performance is fine.

26-34, 77-85, and 27-28 isn’t poor seasonal performance?

[ukyah]

6 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

26-34, 77-85, and 27-28 isn’t poor seasonal performance?

i didn't say it wasn't. i said the opposite. i said firing a manager for a  losing streak would be dumb. he's not the reason they're on an 11 game losing streak. every single pitcher to a man has shit the bed so completely during this streak that no manager could avoid it. who's he supposed to go to?

i don't really value mlb managers all that much. i think their two main jobs are to keep the clubhouse cohesive and manage the bullpen in game, and that second role has been significantly diminished. he does a good job with the clubhouse, maybe a great job, and he's like every other manager with the bullpen. maddon is the problem in the same way scioscia was the problem, which is to say they're not really the problem.

[Slegnaac]

19 hours ago, True Grich said:

Ryan Parker is acting like a 5 year old 

Acting?

[Stradling]

42 minutes ago, ukyah said:

i didn't say it wasn't. i said the opposite. i said firing a manager for a  losing streak would be dumb. he's not the reason they're on an 11 game losing streak. every single pitcher to a man has shit the bed so completely during this streak that no manager could avoid it. who's he supposed to go to?

i don't really value mlb managers all that much. i think their two main jobs are to keep the clubhouse cohesive and manage the bullpen in game, and that second role has been significantly diminished. he does a good job with the clubhouse, maybe a great job, and he's like every other manager with the bullpen. maddon is the problem in the same way scioscia was the problem, which is to say they're not really the problem.

I agree completely, but we’ve seen managers fired for bad stretches. 

[tomsred]

I guess it makes sense in some cases for a team to fire a manager for a bad stretch, but in those instances the manager usually does something to make a total jackass out of himself.  Maddon is continuing to do rational things, and he usually gives straight forward answers for moves that he has made.  People like to second guess Maddon, but he has his rationale and voices it.  I haven't heard much on here about how or who the team should replace him with if that is the decision people think should be made.  I don't know how inspirational Joe is with the players, but he certainly deserves respect among the players for his many years of baseball coaching experience, and the success he achieved in Tampa Bay and Chicago. Personally I like the fact that he sometimes uses unconventional logic vs. being predictable and not taking chances in his decisions.  I think eventually though that Perry will get a shot with "his guy" (whoever that is), let's hope that that manager is effective and respected.

[Puget Sound Angel]

Maddon's gonna live off of 2016 forever.

[stormthetrooper]

6 hours ago, tomsred said:

I guess it makes sense in some cases for a team to fire a manager for a bad stretch, but in those instances the manager usually does something to make a total jackass out of himself.  Maddon is continuing to do rational things, and he usually gives straight forward answers for moves that he has made.  People like to second guess Maddon, but he has his rationale and voices it.  I haven't heard much on here about how or who the team should replace him with if that is the decision people think should be made.  I don't know how inspirational Joe is with the players, but he certainly deserves respect among the players for his many years of baseball coaching experience, and the success he achieved in Tampa Bay and Chicago. Personally I like the fact that he sometimes uses unconventional logic vs. being predictable and not taking chances in his decisions.  I think eventually though that Perry will get a shot with "his guy" (whoever that is), let's hope that that manager is effective and respected.

I'm from Brazil, therefore soccer is something we all know and follow. When a team is in a crisis (like we are), FOs, fans and the media as a whole usually says the team needs to create a "fato novo". Fato novo could be translated, in this context, to create a new environment or situation. In reality, this means "we cannot pinpoint what are you doing wrong, but this team is in a slump and you cannot figure things out, so bye bye, we are hiring someone else to rally the team until they figure things out". This is often highlighted as one of the reasons of why our soccer is unprofessional, considering managers wants to fire coaches on this excuse after a 3 games losing streak, but when t comes to Maddon, I think it could really make sense. Maddon has his coaching dogmas and, within them, there's literally nothing else he can do other than go really crazy and have Velasquez playing leadoff, Trout batting 8th, start Loup...other than non-sensery, he is at his ceiling. Stefanic and Wallach are the only minors that could realistically change something at this point and not enough to turn things around.

Firing Maddon could either derail us for good or allow someone else to rally the team. At this point, it's either this or things clicking back again by magic, because coaching-wise, Maddon did everything he could within his own dogmas.

Edited June 7, 2022 by stormthetrooper
Ortography

[DCAngelsFan]

6 hours ago, tomsred said:

I guess it makes sense in some cases for a team to fire a manager for a bad stretch, but in those instances the manager usually does something to make a total jackass out of himself.  Maddon is continuing to do rational things, and he usually gives straight forward answers for moves that he has made.  People like to second guess Maddon, but he has his rationale and voices it.  I haven't heard much on here about how or who the team should replace him with if that is the decision people think should be made.  I don't know how inspirational Joe is with the players, but he certainly deserves respect among the players for his many years of baseball coaching experience, and the success he achieved in Tampa Bay and Chicago. Personally I like the fact that he sometimes uses unconventional logic vs. being predictable and not taking chances in his decisions.  I think eventually though that Perry will get a shot with "his guy" (whoever that is), let's hope that that manager is effective and respected.

I think it's often been observed that managers are fired because you can't fire the whole team - it's just an expression of frustration, really, a reactionary move to change *something*.

I think Joe's moves probably cost us some games - but injuries and bullpen meltdowns and inexplicably bad slumps from star players probably aren't things he can control.

Firing Joe out of frustration - or to "send a message" - seems pointless and probably counter-productive. 

However - if I were Perry, I'd have some private conversations with the key players on the team - if they all say "Joe's the problem", well, then he goes. 

I really doubt that's the case - but I think at this point, you have to ask.

 

[T.G.]

Ryan Parker nailed it. He just spelled Nevin wrong.

[ukyah]

On 6/6/2022 at 4:38 PM, Stradling said:

I agree completely, but we’ve seen managers fired for bad stretches. 

obviously, but it'll never happen in anaheim they don't care about winning.

[Angelsjunky]

On 6/7/2022 at 11:00 AM, stormthetrooper said:

I'm from Brazil, therefore soccer is something we all know and follow. When a team is in a crisis (like we are), FOs, fans and the media as a whole usually says the team needs to create a "fato novo". Fato novo could be translated, in this context, to create a new environment or situation. In reality, this means "we cannot pinpoint what are you doing wrong, but this team is in a slump and you cannot figure things out, so bye bye, we are hiring someone else to rally the team until they figure things out". This is often highlighted as one of the reasons of why our soccer is unprofessional, considering managers wants to fire coaches on this excuse after a 3 games losing streak, but when t comes to Maddon, I think it could really make sense. Maddon has his coaching dogmas and, within them, there's literally nothing else he can do other than go really crazy and have Velasquez playing leadoff, Trout batting 8th, start Loup...other than non-sensery, he is at his ceiling. Stefanic and Wallach are the only minors that could realistically change something at this point and not enough to turn things around.

Firing Maddon could either derail us for good or allow someone else to rally the team. At this point, it's either this or things clicking back again by magic, because coaching-wise, Maddon did everything he could within his own dogmas.

This post deserves some love - partially because it was "edited for orthography." And welcome, our friend from Brazil.

But i agree with this - and similar to what I was saying before the firing, although I like your comment that "Maddon did everything he could within his own dogmas."

Now there's no turning back, and we'll just have to see whether they can get back on track.