The Official 2022-2023 Anaheim Ducks Thread

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1 hour ago, deepdrive said:

He has some attributes though. He knows the players on the team, has a good attitude, is well liked AND will stand up for guys.

We're not competing for anything the next 2-3 years. Shattenkirk is leaving (probably). We could easily take on his contract at a reasonable amount. He would be a good veteran presence. Give other guys time to develop.

This would not be a team future building move. It would be a team stabilizing move as the future team is assembled. 

I know this sounds contradictory to things I've said in the past. But it's not if you look at where the team is and the roll Manson would play. We don't need him to be a good d man - just fill a roll.

But hey, if we're talking 4-5M a year- no. There's other guys out there. We could pick up a bad contract and get a prospect or pick in that range.

 

Was looking at the Capitals, since the rumor mills say they are interested in Kadri or JT Miller.  They don't have much in cap space, so if they do make a splash, their UFA's might be available.  Was looking at their RD's, and Justin Schultz is a UFA.  31 YO.  6'2" 193, so not as big as Manson.  Not as big a scorer, only 23 pts last season, so similar in Manson production.  16 penalty minutes vs 65 stupid.  But unlike stupid with a CF% and FF% of 45.3 and 44.0.  Schultz 53.9 and 54.4.  Career of 52.7 and 52.9.  So he's not a turnover siv like stupid.  

Much better option than stupid.  

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2 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Was looking at the Capitals, since the rumor mills say they are interested in Kadri or JT Miller.  They don't have much in cap space, so if they do make a splash, their UFA's might be available.  Was looking at their RD's, and Justin Schultz is a UFA.  31 YO.  6'2" 193, so not as big as Manson.  Not as big a scorer, only 23 pts last season, so similar in Manson production.  16 penalty minutes vs 65 stupid.  But unlike stupid with a CF% and FF% of 45.3 and 44.0.  Schultz 53.9 and 54.4.  Career of 52.7 and 52.9.  So he's not a turnover siv like stupid.  

Much better option than stupid.  

You know the history of that guy with the Ducks? He's the guy that we drafted and then he led us on that he was going to sign all through college. Then he burned us at the last minute supposably because Jake Gardiner was a friend of his and they didn't like the way the Ducks treated him. The guy was signed by Edmonton and was booed every time he touched the puck in the Honda Center.

I have a feeling that even if the Ducks were okay with bringing him here, he might not be willing to come.

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9 hours ago, deepdrive said:

You know the history of that guy with the Ducks? He's the guy that we drafted and then he led us on that he was going to sign all through college. Then he burned us at the last minute supposably because Jake Gardiner was a friend of his and they didn't like the way the Ducks treated him. The guy was signed by Edmonton and was booed every time he touched the puck in the Honda Center.

I have a feeling that even if the Ducks were okay with bringing him here, he might not be willing to come.

And yet, I'd still rather have him than stupid.

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If you want to know about all the advanced stats, then have your head explode because there is too much to know about advanced stats.

How do NHL analytics measure player and team value? Explaining the key advanced stats

 

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2 hours ago, gotbeer said:

And yet, I'd still rather have him than stupid.

Yeah, I feel the same way. Bob's gone. I doubt Verbeek really cares. But, I don't know about Schultz.

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Analysis on Yamamoto and Puljujarvi on Edmonton and what they may get in Salary Arbitration.  

Contract comparisons for Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto

I actually like Puljujarvi for a third line winger to Lundestrom.  If Edmonton can't afford him or doesn't think he's worth it, at around $3 million, his age, potential, etc.  

Just IMO, but this is the type of trade that once the team matures, could be a great hindsight trade.

 

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In addition to what I said above.  Looks like Edmonton is looking to trade Barrie for cap space.  $4.5 million for the next two season.  Barrie is a RD, so is he worth putting on Fowlers wing, and moving Shattenkirk to a more respectable third line pairing with Benoit?  

Barrie and Puljujarvi for someone like a Steel or Larsson (guys that really won't even fit in a Ducks rebuild) and a late round pick?  

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Barrie’s a good PP guy who has a pretty solid shot but he doesn’t play a lick of D

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9 hours ago, gotbeer said:

In addition to what I said above.  Looks like Edmonton is looking to trade Barrie for cap space.  $4.5 million for the next two season.  Barrie is a RD, so is he worth putting on Fowlers wing, and moving Shattenkirk to a more respectable third line pairing with Benoit?  

Barrie and Puljujarvi for someone like a Steel or Larsson (guys that really won't even fit in a Ducks rebuild) and a late round pick?  

I'm surprised Larsson is still in the org. They've given up on him. The decent thing to do would be trade if you can get something, Or, release him to get a fresh start.

Steel should be gone. But, it seems like he's going to be here as long as he's cheap and the Ducks don't have someone ready to replace him.

Both Steel and Silfverburg seem to be in this no man's land where they don't really have a place going forward, but the situation hasn't been right to move them out. So, they just remain, treading water.

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25 minutes ago, deepdrive said:

I'm surprised Larsson is still in the org. They've given up on him. The decent thing to do would be trade if you can get something, Or, release him to get a fresh start.

Steel should be gone. But, it seems like he's going to be here as long as he's cheap and the Ducks don't have someone ready to replace him.

Both Steel and Silfverburg seem to be in this no man's land where they don't really have a place going forward, but the situation hasn't been right to move them out. So, they just remain, treading water.

Silfverburg situation is pretty sad.  Not only in the dropoff in production.  But the blood clot situation that seems to have put him in limbo.  He might actually be done permanently.  I know a buddy that had severe blood clots, and they put him on Eliquis to thin his blood.  Guess he has to take it permanently.  My dad was put on that stuff, and it's extremely effective, but the downside is, any cut, and you bleed like crazy.  Hard to get blood to clot.  So in a contact sport like Hockey, I can't see that taking a severe blood thinner is a good thing with not only all the knicks you get, but the internal pounding your body takes.  

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@deepdrive Go to the video middle of the page.  McTavish non challant one timer, in traffic, laser top corner.  It was a pretty impressive shot.

McTavish helps Bulldogs eliminate Oil Kings, reach Memorial Cup semifinal

 

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Yeah, he's been pretty impressive. Ducks have to be happy with that pick.

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1 hour ago, deepdrive said:

Yeah, he's been pretty impressive. Ducks have to be happy with that pick.

The conundrum is what to do with him.  Last season, in his limited call up, he looked ready.  And as a center......do the Ducks dare go McTavish/Henrique/Terry?  Moving Mctavish to wing to go on Z's line?   

I think right now, my dream scenario is

McTavish/Rico/Terry. 

Z/Marchment as a FA signing/trade for Laine.  (Laine has already stated he wants to play in LA.  Being a Fin, I would think Anaheim would be close enough, and we can get another Fin to mentor him.  This is probably where we part ways with Comtois and maybe even Milano) 

Lundestrom/Jones/trade for Puljujarvi.  (This is where the salary dump comes in from Edmonton). 

Carrick/Grant/??  But it's the fourth line, so even a guy like Perreult or Tracy step in.  

D would be Drysdale/Vakanainen  (Vakanainen settled in much better towards the end, and Drysdale for once didn't look overmatched),

Fowler/trade for Barrie.  (He'd be a stopgap.  2 years remaining on his salary.  Would let Helleson and Anderssen develop)

Shattenkirk/Benoit.  (Probably the most effective spot for Shattenkirk, and as a bottom pair, they produced.  Also last season for Shattenkirks salary.  So move Barrie, Helleson, or Anderssen to this spot next season.)

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It's too bad you can't get waivers for the AHL. That's where McTavish really needs to be.

Will Verbeek keep him in the NHL? I don't think anyone (except those close to him) knows. He still is establishing who he is as a GM. He has said he likes guys to mature more before moving up. But, he has to conform to what the NHL does or he'll lose guys.

We need someone big to go with both Terry and Zegras. Is McTavish that guy now? Maybe. Someday? I would think so. Until he is that guy or we pick up someone else, I don't see Comtois going anywhere. Because right now, he's the closest we have to 'that guy'. From what I've seen of Verbeek, I have to think not letting his young stars get bashed up next season is a high priority. The whole 'bring back Manson' rumblings (if they are Verbeeks doing) have to be rooted in that thought.  We don't need a quality D man the next couple years. We need some one that will fight if things go bad. Manson will do that. That's why I also made the comment about being ok with The Big Stupid coming back for a couple years. The guy will bust some heads if he has too (and sometimes even if he doesn't). We need to take other teams out of their comfort zone with hitting our guys.

We need a shooter who is very good at defense to go with Lundestrom if they plan to use him as they say.

I don't think you'll need a whole year to move someone to Shattenkirk's spot. He'll probably be gone by the trade deadline.

LaCombe, Moore, Thrun haven't signed yet. If there's doubts about their talent level or signing, I think you'll see some D guys picked early. Sure would be nice to trade up that 10th pick to the top 5 and get one of the top two defensemen.

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59 minutes ago, deepdrive said:

It's too bad you can't get waivers for the AHL. That's where McTavish really needs to be.

Will Verbeek keep him in the NHL? I don't think anyone (except those close to him) knows. He still is establishing who he is as a GM. He has said he likes guys to mature more before moving up. But, he has to conform to what the NHL does or he'll lose guys.

We need someone big to go with both Terry and Zegras. Is McTavish that guy now? Maybe. Someday? I would think so. Until he is that guy or we pick up someone else, I don't see Comtois going anywhere. Because right now, he's the closest we have to 'that guy'. From what I've seen of Verbeek, I have to think not letting his young stars get bashed up next season is a high priority. The whole 'bring back Manson' rumblings (if they are Verbeeks doing) have to be rooted in that thought.  We don't need a quality D man the next couple years. We need some one that will fight if things go bad. Manson will do that. That's why I also made the comment about being ok with The Big Stupid coming back for a couple years. The guy will bust some heads if he has too (and sometimes even if he doesn't). We need to take other teams out of their comfort zone with hitting our guys.

We need a shooter who is very good at defense to go with Lundestrom if they plan to use him as they say.

I don't think you'll need a whole year to move someone to Shattenkirk's spot. He'll probably be gone by the trade deadline.

LaCombe, Moore, Thrun haven't signed yet. If there's doubts about their talent level or signing, I think you'll see some D guys picked early. Sure would be nice to trade up that 10th pick to the top 5 and get one of the top two defensemen.

I think that's a misconception about Manson, that he fights.  He's been in 3 fights in 2021-2022, 2 fights in 2020-2021, 1 fight in 2019-2020.  Compared to Deslaurier's 13 and Carricks 11.  I'd rather have Deslaurier and his stone hands back to fill out the 4th line than stupid.

As far as big guys.  That's why I put McTavish in with Rico and Terry.  And that Marchment would be a perfect get for the Z line.  He is what Comtois is supposed to be.  

For Lundestrom, I think Puljuvari would be a great fit.  They both don't score much.  But score enough, and play a two way game.  I think it would be big if we could get another Kesler type line that shuts down opposing teams top lines.  Saving our top 2 lines to match up against lower lines.  

 

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I wasn’t referring to fighting majors. I’m not a big fan of that fake stuff anyway. I was thinking more along the lines of scrum fights or unsportsmanlike actions.

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1 hour ago, deepdrive said:

I wasn’t referring to fighting majors. I’m not a big fan of that fake stuff anyway. I was thinking more along the lines of scrum fights or unsportsmanlike actions.

Don't need stupid.  There were at least 3 times Stupid could have been called for a penalty late in the last game.  

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Hamilton tops Shawinigan in OT, advances to Memorial final

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Artem Grushnikov, Mason McTavish and Logan Morrison scored in regulation for the Bulldogs, who went 16-3 in the playoffs to capture the Ontario Hockey League crown.

Hamilton 4-3 Shawinigan (OT) — June 27, 2022

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SKATERS

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1	Xavier Bourgault   Shawinigan Cataractes		7
2	Mavrik Bourque   Shawinigan Cataractes		7
3	Logan Morrison   Hamilton Bulldogs		7
4	William Dufour   Saint John Sea Dogs		6
5	Mason McTavish   Hamilton Bulldogs		6

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Goals			View All
1	William Dufour   Saint John Sea Dogs		6
2	Mason McTavish   Hamilton Bulldogs		4
3	Olivier Nadeau   Shawinigan Cataractes		4
4	Ryan Winterton   Hamilton Bulldogs		3
5	Avery Hayes   Hamilton Bulldogs		3

 

 

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SB Nation NHL Mock Draft 2022: Picks 8-13

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10. Anaheim Ducks — Kevin Korchinski

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sportsnets-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-final-edition/

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13. Kevin Korchinski, D, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL): Great skating ability that allows him to get back on pucks quickly, initiate the rush and walk the offensive zone blue line.

 

 

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2022 NHL DRAFT FINAL RANKINGS: THE 120

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So the Kings traded the #19 and a defensive prospect in Brock Faber for Kevin Fiala, who then signed a 7/$55 million deal with them.  Faber was ranked #7 prospect for the Kings.  But RD is probably one of their stacked positions, both on the team and in the minors.  Wild pretty much had to make the trade, since they were cap strapped.

So the Kings set the market on cap strapped players.  On the Ducks side, makes you think then the #22 pick might be in play, along with how about a guy like Thrun who is ranked #6 on the Ducks.  Problem is he's a LD which we have a lot of prospects, and he's still not signed and becomes a FA if he doesn't sign after this next season I believe.  Or do we go #7 in Tracey.  Although I think I'd rather keep all our offensive talents, especially someone as close as Tracey is to the NHL.  #8 might be the way to go in Lucas Elvenes.  We got him for free via a claim from Vegas.  

But this was something for Fiala, that last season had 85 points in 82 games.  

Reason I bring this up, is Vancouver is getting tight on the cap, and Boesner might be available.  Now he only had 46 points in 71 games, and needs a QO offer of $7.5 million from the Canucks.  Definitely not worth that much.  Which really puts them in a pickle.  I don't know if he is even worth the $5.8 million AAV his current contract is.  He's probably worth about 7/$35, $5 million AAV.  Years may vary, but if you are trading for him, you probably want a longer contract.  

So if you give the #22, secondary would be maybe a guy like Larsson or Steel?  A fringe NHLer, but the clock is just running out on?  

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Oh, and after saying all that.  Fiala and Laine would be pretty similar, except that the Jackets aren't in a cap crunch.  But Laine has stated his wish to come out to So Cal.  So #22 and Thrun or Tracey would be a similarity trade.  Salary offered would be about right also.

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9 hours ago, gotbeer said:

SB Nation NHL Mock Draft 2022: Picks 8-13

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sportsnets-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-final-edition/

 

Sounds good in print. Another week and we'll know. I would think it's a strong possibility Verbeek drafts a bigger d-man with that #10 pick. If not, #22 for sure.

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@deepdrive  Some porn for you.  Sounds like a Risk vs Reward.  Possible top pairing D, but also possible Manson.   Definitely not a straight to NHL player, but will take time to devlop through the system.  

 

2022 Draft Prospect Profile: Kevin Korchinski could be the sleeper defenseman in the draft

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by gotbeer

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Sea Dogs 6 Bulldogs 3.  But on the bright side, McTavish had 2 goals.