Underrated Players

[happybat4]

Cameron also played in Safeco, which killed his counting stats. If he played in Texas his numbers would have been better (sort of like when Beltre left Safeco).

[Blarg]

On 1/21/2022 at 11:14 AM, Dochalo said:

Discar was terrible.   He's one of the worst hitters in the history of baseball.  That's not hyperbole.  14th worst for any player with more than 4000 PA

Rare photo of Jeff Mathis actually hitting a baseball.

[Blarg]

7 hours ago, happybat4 said:

Cameron also played in Safeco, which killed his counting stats. If he played in Texas his numbers would have been better (sort of like when Beltre left Safeco).

Mike Cameron's OPS+ for the four years he played for the Mariners are significantly higher than his career average. 

[happybat4]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Mike Cameron's OPS+ for the four years he played for the Mariners are significantly higher than his career average. 

Doesn't OPS+ factor the park? I'm talking about counting stats (HR, RBI, Avg, etc..)

[Docwaukee]

3 hours ago, Blarg said:

Rare photo of Jeff Mathis actually hitting a baseball.

If you push the criteria to 3000 PA, Mathis is 2nd worst.  and Discar becomes 30th.  

[Dtwncbad]

On 1/23/2022 at 12:14 AM, Dochalo said:

If you push the criteria to 3000 PA, Mathis is 2nd worst.  and Discar becomes 30th.  

If people view Mathis as the worst ever and Discar as the 20th worst ever, then I guess they qualify to be discussed as “underrated.”

 

[Dtwncbad]

Speaking of terrible players. . . 
Joe Blanton often gets railed as the worst starter ever in 2013.

Yes he was absolutely brutally bad.

But if we want to be honest, Jim Abbott in 1996 was far worse. 2-18, 7.48 ERA and 1.75 WHIP.

So who legitimately has the crown for worst Angel starter ever in a single season?

Jim Abbott owns that honor, single handedly.

 

[jsnpritchett]

45 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Speaking of terrible players. . . 
Joe Blanton often gets railed as the worst starter ever in 2013.

Yes he was absolutely brutally bad.

But if we want to be honest, Jim Abbott in 1996 was far worse. 2-18, 7.48 ERA and 1.75 WHIP.

So who legitimately has the crown for worst Angel starter ever in a single season?

Jim Abbott owns that honor, single handedly.

 

Ken McBride in 1964, probably.  4-13 with a 5.25 ERA (63 ERA+, compared to 66 for Abbott in '96).  -2.3 bWAR, compared to -2.1 bWAR for Abbott (somehow, Fangraphs has Abbott in '96 as just 0.0 WAR...).  McBride led the league in hit batters. Abbott led the league in losses. Both McBride and Abbott walked more guys than they struck out. 

[Dtwncbad]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Ken McBride in 1964, probably.  4-13 with a 5.25 ERA (63 ERA+, compared to 66 for Abbott in '96).  -2.3 bWAR, compared to -2.1 bWAR for Abbott (somehow, Fangraphs has Abbott in '96 as just 0.0 WAR...).  McBride led the league in hit batters. Abbott led the league in losses. Both McBride and Abbott walked more guys than they struck out. 

Funny I once met McBride and Abbott at the same time and we discussed this very subject.  In the end, we took a vote.  “Raise your right hand if you think the other guy was worse.”

The results were clear.

[T.G.]

Paul Konerko

[Taylor]

Travis Hafner

[jsnpritchett]

9 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Travis Hafner

[Taylor]

30 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

My past fantasy teams know this all too well.

[TroutCron]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:46 PM, ten ocho recon scout said:

Was arguing with someone about a particular player, who I was a big fan of, but I think is overrated.

And I started mentioning guys from the past who had far better numbers, but nobody remembers. As Angel fans, Tim Salmon works perfect here. And that recent Abreu thread I think was pretty surprising, and hes a good example.

Anyway, I was looking up guys from the past that nobody remembers, or at least talks about, and one who really surprised me was Shawn Green. I totally forgot he was a pretty decent base stealer too, to go along with his power numbers.

Who you got?

He was highly skilled at using PEDs at the same time as Eric Gagne. 

[TroutCron]

Howie Kendrick and to some respect, Jim Edmunds. Tim Salmon and Garret Anderson. 

[Blarg]

5 minutes ago, TroutCron said:

Howie Kendrick and to some respect, Jim Edmunds. Tim Salmon and Garret Anderson. 

Edmonds gets so little respect people can't spell his name. 

[Dtwncbad]

12 hours ago, Blarg said:

Edmonds gets so little respect people can't spell his name. 

From the guy who so deeply respects truth under oath and writes “purgery.”

[Tank]

Carl Crawford was on a solid path until injuries derailed him. I would've liked seeing him finish his career as strongly as he started.

Kevin Brown should be on this list, too.

[Tank]

Jay Buhner

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, Tank said:

Carl Crawford was on a solid path until injuries derailed him. I would've liked seeing him finish his career as strongly as he started.

I'm good with how he went down hill while wearing a Red Sox and then a Dodger uniform.

[Tank]

3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I'm good with how he went down hill while wearing a Red Sox and then a Dodger uniform.

tough but fair.

[tdawg87]

Mike Napoli

[Taylor]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Mike Napoli

[ten ocho recon scout]

Raul Mondesi. Loved him when I was younger, was stoked when we signed him and added him to the 2004 team (even as shitty as he did)

At his Dodgers peak he was a beast. Legit 30/30 guy, high average, and an absolute cannon of an arm

[ten ocho recon scout]

Was always a Moises Alou fan. Going down the rabbit hole looking him up, and saw Lance Berkman. Totally forgot about him. He fits here very well