Jamie Barria can he be rotation answer?

[Angels 1961]

I know he is starting on Monday seems like he has been forgotten man last year and half. His first year was really good.

[AngelStew43]

I think this is a start where he is being shown to other teams.  I can't see him as anything more than a 7-8 option, meaning he's behind Bundy, Canning, Sandoval, C. Rodriguez, Heaney,  Ohtani,  Detmers.  

It is possible that he may be part of a package headed out before the deadline. 

[Angels 1961]

Deadline 1pm pst on Monday so unless teams watching him warm up that will not happen. Angels best starter in 2018. 

 

55 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

I think this is a start where he is being shown to other teams.  I can't see him as anything more than a 7-8 option, meaning he's behind Bundy, Canning, Sandoval, C. Rodriguez, Heaney,  Ohtani,  Detmers.  

It is possible that he may be part of a package headed out before the deadline. 

 

[Vlad27Trout27]

Barria is a solid 4/5 and can pitch like a 3 at times. Personally, outside of his rookie season, he hasn't really gotten the opportunity to be a full time starter and that's a disappointment. 

[totdprods]

I actually think Barria might wind up the best MLB SP out of he, Sandoval, Suarez, and Canning.

I think Canning is going to be mired with injuries and ineffectiveness, Sandoval will become a good reliever, and Suarez will flame out. Barria won’t light the world on fire but he could go on to eat up a good number of innings as a back of rotation guy for many years. 

I think Doug White and using him with openers really effed him up last year.

[Angels 1961]

27 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Barria is a solid 4/5 and can pitch like a 3 at times. Personally, outside of his rookie season, he hasn't really gotten the opportunity to be a full time starter and that's a disappointment. 

He got pushed aside when Harvey and Cahill were signed

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

He got pushed aside when Harvey and Cahill were signed

It wasn't those two.  He made the roster until the trade for the bumb from SF.  I forget his name.

[hangin n wangin]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

I actually think Barria might wind up the best MLB SP out of he, Sandoval, Suarez, and Canning.

I think Canning is going to be mired with injuries and ineffectiveness, Sandoval will become a good reliever, and Suarez will flame out. Barria won’t light the world on fire but he could go on to eat up a good number of innings as a back of rotation guy for many years. 

I think Doug White and using him with openers really effed him up last year.

So basically what you're saying is that were screwed.

[Bronson]

3 minutes ago, hangin n wangin said:

So basically what you're saying is that were screwed.

Yeah if that’s the case we are royally fucked. 

[stanick88]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

I actually think Barria might wind up the best MLB SP out of he, Sandoval, Suarez, and Canning.

I think Canning is going to be mired with injuries and ineffectiveness, Sandoval will become a good reliever, and Suarez will flame out. Barria won’t light the world on fire but he could go on to eat up a good number of innings as a back of rotation guy for many years. 

I think Doug White and using him with openers really effed him up last year.

I agree, except for Canning. I think Canning still has a pretty high ceiling if he can stay healthy and keep finding a way to keep his arm loose in between innings. 

[Angels 1961]

49 minutes ago, stormngt said:

It wasn't those two.  He made the roster until the trade for the bumb from SF.  I forget his name.

Chris Stratton

[Billy_Ball]

1 hour ago, stormngt said:

It wasn't those two.  He made the roster until the trade for the bumb from SF.  I forget his name.

Yup, Chris Stratton, the guy with a supposedly high spin rate.

[stormngt]

28 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Chris Stratton

They really screwed with Barria head last year.  He earns a starting spot after being the teams best starter a year earlier.  

The send him down for Stratton.

When he comes up they use a starter for him.

However that was then.  This is his opportunity to get it back.  

[totdprods]

6 hours ago, stanick88 said:

I agree, except for Canning. I think Canning still has a pretty high ceiling if he can stay healthy and keep finding a way to keep his arm loose in between innings. 

Canning no doubt has the highest ceiling - I think Sandoval does as well - but I have a gnawing feeling it's going to be a rollercoaster of injuries, shut down from throwing, ineffectiveness due to worry about getting injured, etc. with him. If he avoids that, sure, he'll almost certainly be the best of that quartet. But until that feeling goes away, I think Barria actually stands the best chance of having the most productive, lengthy MLB career as a SP. 

I've thought for awhile now Sandoval could be killer out of the pen, but of course they need to try him in the rotation first.

[Vlad27Trout27]

I think canning still has the stuff to be a middle of the rotation arm, and if he figures a few thing out, he could be a 2. Barria is more of a 4, that has the ability to be a 3.

[Rollinghard]

I saw (good seats behind home plate) Barria pitch against Houston in 2018 and I saw greatness. He was almost unhittable. I would not give up on him just yet. 

[Angel]

Canning is actually projecting real nicely as being in our rotation next year.  We just need one more front line starter and a solid bullpen piece.  Hopefully Eppler figures out the lineup issues (currently Pujols, RISP, and potentially some balance issues).  Pujols needs to be gone, find a way to get him back to St Louis.

[Erstad Grit]

14 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Barria is a solid 4/5 and can pitch like a 3 at times. Personally, outside of his rookie season, he hasn't really gotten the opportunity to be a full time starter and that's a disappointment. 

THIS

No-one should be anti-Barria. However for several years now we've known we've needed a 1 and 2 in our rotation. We can't just slot in 7 Barria types and hope Ohtani and Heaney can be aces anymore. 

[Angels 1961]

13 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

THIS

No-one should be anti-Barria. However for several years now we've known we've needed a 1 and 2 in our rotation. We can't just slot in 7 Barria types and hope Ohtani and Heaney can be aces anymore. 

First do not think Ohtani will pitch next year. We do need an ace maybe Bauer next year, but Barria could be back end rotation type.

[Erstad Grit]

11 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

First do not think Ohtani will pitch next year. We do need an ace maybe Bauer next year, but Barria could be back end rotation type.

I'm suggesting expecting ohatini for pitching success would be unwise.  It will now be over 2 years of minimal innings.  If he pitches well it should be a surprise not something expected.  I'd add bauer and either ray,  stroman, or odorizzi

[Angel]

Discounting Ohtani is unwise, dude is going to come back strong I can feel it.  2 way all the way.

[Angel Oracle]

6 hours ago, totdprods said:

Canning no doubt has the highest ceiling - I think Sandoval does as well - but I have a gnawing feeling it's going to be a rollercoaster of injuries, shut down from throwing, ineffectiveness due to worry about getting injured, etc. with him. If he avoids that, sure, he'll almost certainly be the best of that quartet. But until that feeling goes away, I think Barria actually stands the best chance of having the most productive, lengthy MLB career as a SP. 

I've thought for awhile now Sandoval could be killer out of the pen, but of course they need to try him in the rotation first.

Is it Canning's arm just not being durable enough for MLB pitching?  Or is it he himself not being confident enough in staying healthy? 

[Angel Oracle]

43 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I'm suggesting expecting ohatini for pitching success would be unwise.  It will now be over 2 years of minimal innings.  If he pitches well it should be a surprise not something expected.  I'd add bauer and either ray,  stroman, or odorizzi

It's actually four years of minimal innings, going back to 2017 in Japan.   That has to be a huge red flag right there. 

[Angel Oracle]

I wonder if this would be a solid enough and reliable rotation, by mid-2021.

Bundy, Detmers, Gausman (FA), Barria, and Sandoval or Heaney 

Need to get away from having injury prone pitchers being relied on for upper rotation spots.

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Angel said:

Discounting Ohtani is unwise, dude is going to come back strong I can feel it.  2 way all the way.

I hope u are right but cannot count on it.