Quality Starts

[tdawg87]

I know the "quality start" stat is considered to be dubious at best, but it's important to see the overall picture.

The Angels, as a team, had just 22 quality starts in 2019. That's 18 fewer than the next closest team, and 24 fewer than the league average. That's just absolutely hilarious. 

Let's look at the total number of quality starts by the Angels' two pitching acquisitions this winter:

Bundy: 10

Teheran: 15

So those two pitchers had MORE quality starts than our entire rotation in 2019. If we assume the same production from our starters and Bundy/Teheran, we're up to 47 quality starts. That's not great, but it's certainly a big step in the right direction.

Now if we add Keuchel, who had 12 quality starts last year (in a shortened season, mind you), that brings our total up to 59. That would have been tied for 5th in the AL. And again, this is assuming we have the same awful performance from our rotation, and Ohtani adds 0 QS and Keuchel doesn't add any more QS.

Now, is there a correlation between number of Quality Starts and ERA? Well, at least for 2019, yes.

Outside of Tampa Bay, the top 4 teams in QS finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in ERA, respectively. The 5th team, Boston, finished 7th.

So what am I saying here? Basically, if we add Keuchel, we have an above average rotation that should be near the top of the league in quality starts, and possibly in the top 5-6 in ERA.

Lets do this, turds.

Edited December 20, 2019 by tdawg87

[Lou]

using "openers" sure doesn't help

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

using "openers" sure doesn't help

This is another point. Realistically, our shitty rotation should be able to put together 35-40 quality starts without the opener. 

Add in Bundy/Teheran/Keuchel and, yeah. 

[Angel Oracle]

Keuchel would be cheaper than Ryu, and with a better health history.    Although, Ryu was healthy in 2019.

[tomsred]

42 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Keuchel would be cheaper than Ryu, and with a better health history.    Although, Ryu was healthy in 2019.

It's a tough choice AO, but the important part is that we have to add at least one.  Especially true in my mind since neither one will cost a draft pick.

[Lou]

Ryu was also light years better than Keuchel last year

[angelsnationtalk]

Now that we have added two starters who will go deep into games each start I wouldn't mind taking more of a risk approach with Ryu. More upside.

[CanadianHalo]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Keuchel would be cheaper than Ryu, and with a better health history.    Although, Ryu was healthy in 2019.

Most guys are “healthy” during a contract year 

[Chuck]

I'm actually fine with either Keuchel or Ryu.

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

I know the "quality start" stat is considered to be dubious at best, but it's important to see the overall picture.

The Angels, as a team, had just 22 quality starts in 2019. That's 18 fewer than the next closest team, and 24 fewer than the league average. That's just absolutely hilarious. 

Let's look at the total number of quality starts by the Angels' two pitching acquisitions this winter:

Bundy: 10

Teheran: 15

So those two pitchers had MORE quality starts than our entire rotation in 2019. If we assume the same production from our starters and Bundy/Teheran, we're up to 47 quality starts. That's not great, but it's certainly a big step in the right direction.

Now if we add Keuchel, who had 12 quality starts last year (in a shortened season, mind you), that brings our total up to 59. That would have been tied for 5th in the AL. And again, this is assuming we have the same awful performance from our rotation, and Ohtani adds 0 QS and Keuchel doesn't add any more QS.

Now, is there a correlation between number of Quality Starts and ERA? Well, at least for 2019, yes.

Outside of Tampa Bay, the top 4 teams in QS finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in ERA, respectively. The 5th team, Boston, finished 7th.

So what am I saying here? Basically, if we add Keuchel, we have an above average rotation that should be near the top of the league in quality starts, and possibly in the top 5-6 in ERA.

Lets do this, turds.

 

 

Great post, @tdawg87.

[Erstad Grit]

2 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I know the "quality start" stat is considered to be dubious at best, but it's important to see the overall picture.

The Angels, as a team, had just 22 quality starts in 2019. That's 18 fewer than the next closest team, and 24 fewer than the league average. That's just absolutely hilarious. 

Let's look at the total number of quality starts by the Angels' two pitching acquisitions this winter:

Bundy: 10

Teheran: 15

So those two pitchers had MORE quality starts than our entire rotation in 2019. If we assume the same production from our starters and Bundy/Teheran, we're up to 47 quality starts. That's not great, but it's certainly a big step in the right direction.

Now if we add Keuchel, who had 12 quality starts last year (in a shortened season, mind you), that brings our total up to 59. That would have been tied for 5th in the AL. And again, this is assuming we have the same awful performance from our rotation, and Ohtani adds 0 QS and Keuchel doesn't add any more QS.

Now, is there a correlation between number of Quality Starts and ERA? Well, at least for 2019, yes.

Outside of Tampa Bay, the top 4 teams in QS finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in ERA, respectively. The 5th team, Boston, finished 7th.

So what am I saying here? Basically, if we add Keuchel, we have an above average rotation that should be near the top of the league in quality starts, and possibly in the top 5-6 in ERA.

Lets do this, turds.

Great post.

I'd be interested to see how many times we had a guy essentially pitch a QS after the opener. Great post. 

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

Most guys are “healthy” during a contract year 

It's amazing how players can strenghten and protect their muscles, bones, and ligaments simply through their desire to perform well so that they can make more money. 

[CanadianHalo]

4 minutes ago, Taylor said:

It's amazing how players can strenghten and protect their muscles, bones, and ligaments simply through their desire to perform well so that they can make more money. 

It’s amazing what some guys will play through when there’s a payday depending on it. 

 

[Stradling]

As @Lou pointed out Ryu was In a contract year the year before as well. 

[Lou]

20 minutes ago, Stradling said:

As @Lou pointed out Ryu was In a contract year the year before as well. 

that guy is smart 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

that guy is smart 

The other lou

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

The other lou

that guy's a dumbass 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

The other lou

[Pancake Bear]

Add Keuchel if you want to win more regular season games and get demolished in the playoffs.

Add Ryu if winning a few less games during the season isn’t as big of a deal but want a better shot at advancing in the playoffs. 

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Add Keuchel if you want to win more regular season games and get demolished in the playoffs.

Add Ryu if winning a few less games during the season isn’t as big of a deal but want a better shot at advancing in the playoffs. 

Postseason ERAs:

Ryu -  3.47

Keuchel -  4.05

[John Taylor]

6 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Add Keuchel if you want to win more regular season games and get demolished in the playoffs.

Add Ryu if winning a few less games during the season isn’t as big of a deal but want a better shot at advancing in the playoffs. 

Or either to GET to the playoffs

[AngelsLakersFan]

I’ll take the under on 15 QS from Teheran. Moving from NL to AL is gona hurt.

[Dick B Back]

Lets do this, turds.

[tdawg87]

29 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I’ll take the under on 15 QS from Teheran. Moving from NL to AL is gona hurt.

Maybe, but he's not getting fewer than 10.

[eligrba4ever]

I am shocked! SHOCKED, I tell you!! The Angels actually got 22 quality starts out of THAT rotation?

If I had been asked to guess the number, I would have said 10, and been afraid I was waaaay over.

22. An impressive feat!!