Ken Rosenthal: Why Mike Trout should still be a lock for AL MVP

[Jeff Fletcher]

12 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I don't think it says anywhere that the award is specifically an 'individual award.'

Well they only give it to one person. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

20 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Well they only give it to one person. 

[Angel Oracle]

My current ballot would be:

Trout, Bregman, Simien, Verlander, Cole, Betts, Chapman, LeMahieu, Springer, Bogearts

[PenG]

Ironically, this MVP race will be decided by the Angel's pitching staff.

[Duren, Duren]

Finishing on a hot streak, especially  with a playoff contender/lock would be the ideal way to solidify positive impressions for voters.

At some point, differentiating between the minutiae of the stats becomes secondary. Most MVP candidates have pretty impressive stats. Some more so in some categories, others in different areas. Comparisons based on decimal points and numbers factor in of course. But arguments are always made that legitimize anyone's point of view. 

The hilites of a player going well down the stretch, and the success of a winning team also shape perceptions. 

If Trout doesn't win, you can be sure that it will be because of his injury/absence and dismal team performance. 

[Dick B Back]

Right now Trout is the only dude in MLB with 40+ HR, 100+ runs/RBIs/BB, OBP .400+, SLG .500+, and OPS 1.000+...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

until

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bregman hits another homer.

[PenG]

Seeing as how the Astros would sweep the AL awards with an MVP, what are the odds that a close vote sways towards Bregman because of the added narrative?

[Jeff Fletcher]

24 minutes ago, PenG said:

Seeing as how the Astros would sweep the AL awards with an MVP, what are the odds that a close vote sways towards Bregman because of the added narrative?

No one is going to vote for Bregman because they think it would be cool if an Astro won 3 awards. No one. 

[Chuck]

Good stuff by Brian Kenny from MLB Network. 

 

Bregman vs. Trout, the debate rages on.

Brian Kenny digs into the metrics to compare the two MVP candidates and what he finds might surprise you! #MLBNow pic.twitter.com/uR2JJbOwUX

— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) September 24, 2019

[happybat4]

Bregaman now has an 8 War. He will be close to passing Trout with 5 games left. Trout is at 8.3

[tdawg87]

10 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

Bregaman now has an 8 War. He will be close to passing Trout with 5 games left. Trout is at 8.3

Basically gonna need a homerun in every game to do it. Don't think he will get the....oh the last 4 games are against the Angels yeah he's gonna finish with 9 WAR.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Basically gonna need a homerun in every game to do it. Don't think he will get the....oh the last 4 games are against the Angels yeah he's gonna finish with 9 WAR.

Arent those home runs counted less though? Like park factor? 

[PenG]

1 hour ago, happybat4 said:

Bregaman now has an 8 War. He will be close to passing Trout with 5 games left. Trout is at 8.3

The Matthew Effect is in full force for the Astros if Bregman grabs this award. 

[ScottT]

1 hour ago, happybat4 said:

Bregaman now has an 8 War. He will be close to passing Trout with 5 games left. Trout is at 8.3

Fangraphs has it 8.6 to 7.9

Trout leads in most categories.  By a significant margin in some.  He should win.  He will win.

[Angelsjunky]

It is going to be close, especially if Bregman has a good last few games. Once you get to +/- 0.5 WAR, the difference is insignificant. The games played is tricky, because some will give Bregman the edge for playing ~20 more games, while others will point out that Trout provided equal or slightly better value but in far fewer games. Maybe that evens out. But it really might come down to these last few games. 

Yelich vs. Bellinger is also close, but I think Bellinger will win it due to the big gap in BR WAR and maybe the LA effect (Bellinger's at 8.5, Yelich at 7.2; Fangraphs has Yelich at 7.8, Bell at 7.4). 

I'm also reminded of 2015, when Trout had the overall better numbers, but Donaldson won it. It was close enough (9.3 to 8.7 fWAR) that I think the voters were justified to give it to Donaldson, even if I think Trout should have won.

[Troll Daddy]

The fact that Bregman plays third base and shortstop works in his favor ... both demanding positions. He has also played in a lot more games than the top players on the Astros. I agree with Angelsjunky ... it will be close. 

[cez]

because he is the chosen of the gods

end of story

[Angelsjunky]

"Daniel Vogelbach is a lock for AL MVP."

MarinersWin.com, 4/20/2019

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

He’s valuable in making Seattle dead last instead of us.

 

[happybat4]

Bregaman is on a tear to finish the year. I think he will end up winning MVP. He is 2-2 so far today with a double. 

[Angelsjunky]

3-3 with two doubles. I guess he wants that trophy. That second double came on a 14-pitch at bat. Three more doubles and he has a 40-40 2B-HR season.

[tdawg87]

Bregman wants it, bad. Honestly he deserves it.

[Chuck]

 

 

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

 

@Jeff Fletcher your take on Bob Nightegale's tweet on the AL MVP?

[Angelsjunky]

How can Trout be the AL MVP when he's not even the team MVP?