Updated Fangraphs farm system rankings

[Troll Daddy]

4 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I know you didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway.  

I think the lineup is already set for next year.  If they decide to trade from their MIF depth then they might bring in a solid bench type.  

Who’s playing right field?

[Docwaukee]

22 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

Who’s playing right field?

goodwin to start the year and then Adell or maybe even Adell from the beginning.  

[nate]

On 7/31/2019 at 11:37 PM, DCAngelsFan said:

UGHHHH: The Angels get a special category of badness all their own.

30) Los Angeles Angels: The best Angels prospect, catcher Taylor Ward, wouldn’t be a top ten guy in most systems. Trades gutted an already very weak system and this is now a complete from-the-ground-up rebuild project. There’s no way to spin it: this may be the worst system in recent memory. Overview, click at your own risk. 2015 Rank: 28^th

Yep, and three years later people are trying to trade away all our assets for pitchers again.  Thankfully the fans don't run the front office.

[Glen]

20 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels needed to cash in on Cams good year. The Dodgers needed bullpen help. According to that trade machine thing, Cam could have gotten some of their prospects. Kole could definitely help a contender.

What contender, and what would they have given up?

[mmc]

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-top-30-prospects-lists-midseason-update

MLB.com re-ranking post deadline.

We rank #22.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, mymerlincat said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-top-30-prospects-lists-midseason-update

 

We rank #22.

Cool

[mulwin444]

6 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-top-30-prospects-lists-midseason-update

MLB.com re-ranking post deadline.

We rank #22.

Oh, shoot...quick, they need to send back all the guys they graduated to get us back near the top ten haha

[Duren, Duren]

Whatever the Dodgers are doing, copy it. 

Unbelievable how productive their farm system is. Unending rookies of the year, depth at every position, unexpected phenoms who seem to need no learning curve. Year after year.

Steal from their braintrust. Determine which scouts, talent assessors, coaches in their minor league  pipeline are most responsible. And their analytics masterminds.

Obviously the Dodgers prioritize the entire acquisition and development process. Money never seems to be an issue keeping them at the cutting edge. 

The Giants lured one of their recent executives to their team. There must be others who are important parts of their system. There are no salary cap type restrictions, so spend some serious money upgrading this crucial dimension. Not necessarily just from The Dodgers, but identify and poach the best at their job.

[eligrba]

17 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

Whatever the Dodgers are doing, copy it. 

Unbelievable how productive their farm system is. Unending rookies of the year, depth at every position, unexpected phenoms who seem to need no learning curve. Year after year.

Steal from their braintrust. Determine which scouts, talent assessors, coaches in their minor league  pipeline are most responsible. And their analytics masterminds.

Obviously the Dodgers prioritize the entire acquisition and development process. Money never seems to be an issue keeping them at the cutting edge. 

The Giants lured one of their recent executives to their team. There must be others who are important parts of their system. There are no salary cap type restrictions, so spend some serious money upgrading this crucial dimension. Not necessarily just from The Dodgers, but identify and poach the best at their job.

This is what happens when the talent at the major league talent is not horrible allowing the farm to become backlogged and pruned via trades.  The Angels are a few years away before this happens.

[Hubs]

On 8/1/2019 at 9:51 AM, mulwin444 said:

Interesting...who would be our equivalent of two near MLB ready SPs, a LF/1B hitting .973 OPS in AA/AAA and a 2B hitting .978 OPS in AA/AAA while stealing 32 bases that we'd be able to easily sacrifice for one 36 year old starter whose salary would take us out of the Gerrit Cole market?

You're overrating those pitching prospects. The salary was reduced, and Greinke could've been added in addition to Cole.

Corbin Martin ok, but being used as a 3 inning reliever in the majors. JB Bukauskas is a Double A Arm with a 5.25 ERA there. Neither are near MLB Ready SP. Both might end up as relievers.

We don't really have similar guys but Suarez is similar to Martin or Bukaskas, and lower down on the farm their is decent pitching prospects.

Beer is nice, but is at A/AA and is basically somewhere between Jared Walsh and Brandon Marsh as an OF. Rojas is a AAA and the most ready prospect, and he's slightly better than Taylor Ward or our own Rojas.

Ward, Hermosillo or say Adams, Suarez, and a lower tier starter would've been close. Adding someone in place like Thaiss or Rengifo instead of Ward or Maitan or even swapping in Brandon Marsh makes this a better package.

You and I can disagree, and that's fine, but these prospects all fit the "Nice" category.

They definitely got talent back and more than I thought it would cost. Still, now the Astros have 4 solid pitchers, three of which are probably back in 2020.

If the Angels had been able to put up a similar package, they'd have Greinke to face Verlander, and then potentially poaching Cole next offseason and your in the division race. How will they compete if Houston or the Dodgers or Yankees grab Cole in the Offseason?

Syndergaard or DeGrom or Boyd or whomever else is going to cost a lot more than Greinke in a trade and there are no solid free agent ace types except Cole on the market, except maybe Bumgarner.

[Hubs]

On 8/1/2019 at 9:42 AM, Dochalo said:

it was a ton for the privilege of taking on 50+ mil for 2 more years of a 35 yo and the point of doing so for them was about making them stronger for THIS year more than 2 years from now.  Good move for them.  Would have been dumb for us.  

Prospects are currency for the major league club. 1 in 5 succeeds. These guys aren't going to all put up the same numbers in Arizona as they have in the minors, and we need pitching. Badly. He was the most obtainable guy and I think we could've offered a decent package and taken on a little more money and made it happen.

[TroutAdell]

I think that the scouting and development of players has been subpar. The biggest negative is the lack of guys drafted three through ten on the 40 man roster.. Even the First Round hasn’t produced since Trout, save for Adell. Mostly, is the lack of quality pitching prospects in the upper levels of the system. 

MLB has the system ranked at #22. Reading the bios of the Top 30 most of the pitchers on the list project to be  bullpen pieces. The Angels haven’t drafted a too of the rotation pitcher since Jared Weaver in 2006. Garrett Richards was drafted in the second round and showed glimpses of TOR talent but injuries derailed his ascent. Fourteen drafts is a long time to go without promoting any top of the rotation pitchers.  

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

You're overrating those pitching prospects. The salary was reduced, and Greinke could've been added in addition to Cole.

Corbin Martin ok, but being used as a 3 inning reliever in the majors. JB Bukauskas is a Double A Arm with a 5.25 ERA there. Neither are near MLB Ready SP. Both might end up as relievers.

We don't really have similar guys but Suarez is similar to Martin or Bukaskas, and lower down on the farm their is decent pitching prospects.

Beer is nice, but is at A/AA and is basically somewhere between Jared Walsh and Brandon Marsh as an OF. Rojas is a AAA and the most ready prospect, and he's slightly better than Taylor Ward or our own Rojas.

Ward, Hermosillo or say Adams, Suarez, and a lower tier starter would've been close. Adding someone in place like Thaiss or Rengifo instead of Ward or Maitan or even swapping in Brandon Marsh makes this a better package.

You and I can disagree, and that's fine, but these prospects all fit the "Nice" category.

They definitely got talent back and more than I thought it would cost. Still, now the Astros have 4 solid pitchers, three of which are probably back in 2020.

If the Angels had been able to put up a similar package, they'd have Greinke to face Verlander, and then potentially poaching Cole next offseason and your in the division race. How will they compete if Houston or the Dodgers or Yankees grab Cole in the Offseason?

Syndergaard or DeGrom or Boyd or whomever else is going to cost a lot more than Greinke in a trade and there are no solid free agent ace types except Cole on the market, except maybe Bumgarner.

Couple of things:

 - HOU is going for it because their window is "Now"...they lead the West, are a game up in terms of home field throughout the playoffs, are set to lose Cole to FA and are season removed from being World Series Champions.  THIS is time you make these moves.

 - Angels are in season 4 of a major rebuild from rookie ball through the MLB level.  They've also had their entire pitching core since 2016 ravaged by elbow and shoulder injuries so I'll put forth the idea that Eppler is probably not that interested in trading away 4 of his top 5 prospects for a 36 year old pitcher who, after money comes back from AZ, will require a salary of $17.5 mil per season.  Next season, Ohtani will be back, Canning will be more experienced, Cole, Wheeler, Bumgarner, etc will be available, not to mention trades are less expensive in the offseason than the at the trade deadline...this is just not our deal. 

Like I had posted before, I could see maybe Eppler going to AZ and saying "here is a nice package of players for Robby Ray/Greinke and we'll assume most/if not all the salary"...it would be bold and it would take less prospect currency but the Angels are also a part of Greinke's "No Trade Clause" and it would basically take us out of the running for more FA SP talent in 2020/2021.

In the end, it was a good move for HOU, not for the Angels

[Lou]

15 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

for a 36 year old pitcher who, after money comes back from AZ, will require a salary of $17.5 mil per season

I'm pretty sure it's quite a bit more than that

[mulwin444]

20 minutes ago, Lou said:

I'm pretty sure it's quite a bit more than that

I know his salary is $35 mil per season but was unsure how the money coming back impacts the annual average.

So, $24 mil is coming back to impact the rest of the salary this season and the $70 mil for the next two seasons (the salary includes an $18 mil signing bonus at $3 mil per season, ex 2020 $32 mil salary + $3 mil signing bonus = $35 mil)  

 

 

 

[Lou]

From everything I've read he is owed $53 million by Houston

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

I know his salary is $35 mil per season but was unsure how the money coming back impacts the annual average.

So, $24 mil is coming back to impact the rest of the salary this season and the $70 mil for the next two seasons (the salary includes an $18 mil signing bonus at $3 mil per season, ex 2020 $32 mil salary + $3 mil signing bonus = $35 mil)  

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KggX-IVrw6TywbOR6OIooQyxAY1MpTlnq88PqnNkuWQ/pubhtml   

Werent signing bonuses paid up front but then spread out over the lifetime of the contract for CBA purposes?   Not sure what the rules were when he signed his deal.

[Inside Pitch]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

From everything I've read he is owed $53 million by Houston

The info at Cot's pretty much shows it that way too, they even had the 3.3 mil being paid by AZ this year plus an additional 23 mil on other monies.   Then 34 mil in each of the next two seasons with 20.6 mil paid by AZ.

[Lou]

How great would it be if he totally sucks in Houston?

[Inside Pitch]

8 minutes ago, Lou said:

How great would it be if he totally sucks in Houston?

But not until after the playoffs when Gerrit Cole gets lit up and Greinke pitchers masterfully ... because reasons....