Gameday Thread: Mariners @ Angels 4/20,2019 (Goodwin in RF)

[Roy Hobbs]

Luke Bard back up , Dillon Peters down. I see Justin Anderson pitched last night so maybe that's why he didn't get the call.He needs to be back up here soon.

[Glen]

4 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Luke Bard back up , Dillon Peters down. I see Justin Anderson pitched last night so maybe that's why he didn't get the call.He needs to be back up here soon.

Have you heard about Bard's spin rate?

[nando714]

17 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Luke Bard back up , Dillon Peters down. I see Justin Anderson pitched last night so maybe that's why he didn't get the call.He needs to be back up here soon.

Has Anderson been down for 10 days yet ?

[Second Base]

28 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Also, Kole Calhoun was a border line all star for 3 years.  He wasn’t a platoon player.  Just a ridiculous thing to say.  He also mashed in the minors.  Which you’d think Scotty would appreciate.  

The guy just went off the deep end.  He’s not even a platoon player now really.  Not a regular one.  His bat is extremely bad.  Nothing the Angels could have done.  They were right to give him the contract.  Now should they have let him kill the team last year ? And should they this year when Upton is back ?  That’s the discussion. 

The old me would tell you to do some research and then come back and eat your crow.  But that doesn't get anyone anywhere.

So here's this.  Kole Calhoun's three best seasons where you declared him a borderline all-star were 2014, 2015 and 2016.  So let's look at his numbers against lefties from those three seasons.

2014: .252/.322 - Not screaming that he's bad or anything, just not impressive at all, particularly when he's hitting 25 points higher and with more power against RHP.  But an underlying number here is that he hit .232 against LHSP.  Meaning the lefties that he saw the most, he did the worst against. 

2015: .220/.293 - That's not a borderline all-star at all.  In fact, that guy was just flat out useless against same side pitching.  But he did manage to hit .229 against LHSP, which is something I guess.  Still awful, just not as awful. 

2016: .290/.366 - When you look at the rest of his career, you'd think to yourself, "where the frick did that come from?"  He never hit lefties like that before or since.  But for one year, Kole Calhoun was the freakin' man against LHP.

Career: .237/.319 - Now if a guy was a total .237 hitter with middling power and not much speed....well let's just say his career would be short lived.  He'd be useless at the plate when you consider just how many younger, better players there are waiting in line to take his spot.  That's not Kole Calhoun.....that's just Kole Calhoun against LHP.  He always should've been a platoon bat. Against righties, he hit .256, which is acceptable, particularly when you factor in his defense.  A .256 hitter though, that guy can have a long career.  Just look at Curtis Granderson.  

The point is, Kole Calhoun was always a good player to have on hand.  The fact that he isn't hitting righties now is a new development.  That fact that he's inconsistent at best against lefties?  That's a career long pattern.  He always should've been a majority platoon player. 

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, nando714 said:

Has Anderson been down for 10 days yet ?

si 

[Second Base]

35 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Not when the other side of the platoon is Bourjos. 

Now that.....I really don't have an answer for because you're absolutely right.  But to me, it sounds as if that's not a vote of confidence for Kole, but more an indictment on Bourjos.  All the Angels needed to have a stud RF tandem was a 4th OF that can hit lefties and a manager willing to bench a veteran that isn't hitting. 

We've had neither. 

[Second Base]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

si 

Universidad de California Los Amigos. 

[Roy Hobbs]

17 minutes ago, Glen said:

Have you heard about Bard's spin rate?

I know his exit velocity is pretty good

[UndertheHalo]

14 minutes ago, Second Base said:

The old me would tell you to do some research and then come back and eat your crow.  But that doesn't get anyone anywhere.

So here's this.  Kole Calhoun's three best seasons where you declared him a borderline all-star were 2014, 2015 and 2016.  So let's look at his numbers against lefties from those three seasons.

2014: .252/.322 - Not screaming that he's bad or anything, just not impressive at all, particularly when he's hitting 25 points higher and with more power against RHP.  But an underlying number here is that he hit .232 against LHSP.  Meaning the lefties that he saw the most, he did the worst against. 

2015: .220/.293 - That's not a borderline all-star at all.  In fact, that guy was just flat out useless against same side pitching.  But he did manage to hit .229 against LHSP, which is something I guess.  Still awful, just not as awful. 

2016: .290/.366 - When you look at the rest of his career, you'd think to yourself, "where the frick did that come from?"  He never hit lefties like that before or since.  But for one year, Kole Calhoun was the freakin' man against LHP.

Career: .237/.319 - Now if a guy was a total .237 hitter with middling power and not much speed....well let's just say his career would be short lived.  He'd be useless at the plate when you consider just how many younger, better players there are waiting in line to take his spot.  That's not Kole Calhoun.....that's just Kole Calhoun against LHP.  He always should've been a platoon bat. Against righties, he hit .256, which is acceptable, particularly when you factor in his defense.  A .256 hitter though, that guy can have a long career.  Just look at Curtis Granderson.  

The point is, Kole Calhoun was always a good player to have on hand.  The fact that he isn't hitting righties now is a new development.  That fact that he's inconsistent at best against lefties?  That's a career long pattern.  He always should've been a majority platoon player. 

Curtis Granderson.  3X all star.  

Also what stats are you referencing.  Because that’s not his BA and OBP from those years. 

Edited April 20, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[Second Base]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Curtis Granderson.  3X all star.  

Also what stats are you referencing.  Because that’s not his BA and OBP from those years. 

Splits. You can tell when I said, "Let's look at his numbers against lefties."

Did it read bbref wrong?

[UndertheHalo]

13 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Splits. You can tell when I said, "Let's look at his numbers against lefties."

Did it read bbref wrong?

Who cares about the splits ? He was everyday player.  How often do you look at lefty righty splits when you’re deciding whether an everyday player should be an all star ?

Kole Calhoun was an everyday player in those years.  He had double digit power numbers, drove in runs and and played gold glove defense.  You can look at his lefty righty splits if you want but his cumulative numbers were what they were.  And we’ve seen all stars with numbers less then those.  

He never ended up as an all star but he was certainly close.  And that’s all that I said.  I think a far more accurate description in those years than your characterization as a platoon player. 

And I copied and pasted.  I didn’t mean to make that block of text bigger. 

Edited April 20, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[Lou]

I like feisty UTH.

 

[kevinb]

And and

[tdawg87]

Just now, Kevinb said:

And and

You ok bro?

[Lou]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

You ok bro?

[kevinb]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You ok bro?

Yup. It was a fun typo by @UndertheHalo where he put and and together. 

[UndertheHalo]

Meh I do that shit all the time.  My dumbass tries correcting a thought that I’ve already typed and then I post too quickly and leave words that I’ve accidentally typed twice. 

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

looks like Bour was benched

everybody happy now?

Matchups. Has nothing to do with his empty skull.

 

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

Matchups. Has nothing to do with his empty skull.

 

wrong. Ausmus reads AW. 

[tdawg87]

I do.

[Dick Enberg]

Is this the real game day thread?

[Second Base]

37 minutes ago, Lou said:

I like feisty UTH.

 

At first I thought you wrote that you like feisty UTI's.....

[Second Base]

44 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Who cares about the splits ? He was everyday player.  How often do you look at lefty righty splits when you’re deciding whether an everyday player should be an all star ?

Kole Calhoun was an everyday player in those years.  He had double digit power numbers, drove in runs and and played gold glove defense.  You can look at his lefty righty splits if you want but his cumulative numbers were what they were.  And we’ve seen all stars with numbers less then those.  

He never ended up as an all star but he was certainly close.  And that’s all that I said.  I think a far more accurate description in those years than your characterization as a platoon player. 

And I copied and pasted.  I didn’t mean to make that block of text bigger. 

Just imagine how much more production the Angels would've got from RF if they didn't punt on any production from the RF spot on 20% (lefties) of the pitchers they face. 

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Second Base said:

At first I thought you wrote that you like feisty UTI's.....

I did. stupid autocorrect 

[Ender]

3 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Lefty Kikuchi pitching 

6 innings, 1 run, 4 hits, 2 BBs, 6 Ks

Nah. He's not very good. 6Ks is too much. I haven't been impressed by him at all.