Trout project done. Now do you sign Keuchel?

[Angel Oracle]

Just say no to the hits machine, who led the AL in hits allowed.

[Dtwncbad]

4 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Just say no to the hits machine, who led the AL in hits allowed.

If a guy pitched 280 innings would you care if he led the league in hits allowed?

[Angel Oracle]

5 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If a guy pitched 280 innings would you care if he led the league in hits allowed?

A 1.31 WHIP is alright for paying a guy $5-$7 million/year for.   But not almost triple that.   And certainly not when the WHIP is 1.25 since 2016.

[Dtwncbad]

22 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

A 1.31 WHIP is alright for paying a guy $5-$7 million/year for.   But not almost triple that.   And certainly not when the WHIP is 1.25 since 2016.

Please list the 200 inning 1.25 whip starters available for $5m.

I get your point but you are not being realistic in the market.

[Lou]

47 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If a guy pitched 280 innings would you care if he led the league in hits allowed?

if he wasn't worth close to $12M a year, yes, I would. 

[Docwaukee]

28 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Please list the 200 inning 1.25 whip starters available for $5m.

I get your point but you are not being realistic in the market.

here's another way to frame it.  Would you trade Jeremiah Jackson and two solid international prospects just starting out for a solid pitcher entering his 31yo season and 4/75 left on his contract?  3/55?  

do you think he'll have a sub 4 era season ever again?  I don't.  He doesn't move the needle enough for this year or next to take away the financial flexibility for not only those two years but the one or two after that when he's 33/34 and potentially a back end starter.  

like others have said.  There's a reason why he's still a free agent and it's got everything to do with what teams think he's worth vs. what he thinks he's worth.  I wouldn't even meet in the middle on that.  

[Dtwncbad]

14 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

here's another way to frame it.  Would you trade Jeremiah Jackson and two solid international prospects just starting out for a solid pitcher entering his 31yo season and 4/75 left on his contract?  3/55?  

do you think he'll have a sub 4 era season ever again?  I don't.  He doesn't move the needle enough for this year or next to take away the financial flexibility for not only those two years but the one or two after that when he's 33/34 and potentially a back end starter.  

like others have said.  There's a reason why he's still a free agent and it's got everything to do with what teams think he's worth vs. what he thinks he's worth.  I wouldn't even meet in the middle on that.  

I fully understand.  Except I also think his market is dwindling and what he ends up signing for just might be low enough to consider.

[ScottT]

Next up.... Roger Lodge....  20 years. $100,000

[Puget Sound Angel]

Can he make it through April healthy?

If so, sign him.

[Rico]

Dude should be good for about 190 innings and 17 to 20 quality starts each of the next few seasons.  Trading for a player like that would cost more than a couple of top prospects.  

If not Keuchel then who?  Y'all want to go after 37 year old Verlander next season?

[DMVol]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

Dude should be good for about 190 innings and 17 to 20 quality starts each of the next few seasons.  Trading for a player like that would cost more than a couple of top prospects.  

If not Keuchel then who?  Y'all want to go after 37 year old Verlander next season?

I think that is the issue....everybody trashes Keuchel, and he certainly has flaws, but nobody has any other bright ideas.....Cahill and Harvey? Meh.....

[Stradling]

44 minutes ago, DMVol said:

I think that is the issue....everybody trashes Keuchel, and he certainly has flaws, but nobody has any other bright ideas.....Cahill and Harvey? Meh.....

Nothing is in a vacuum.  I personally will take Cahill, Harvey, a 2nd round pick and International Bonus slot money and the ability to dip back into free agency next season than to sign Keuchel.  I can’t imagine anyone with patience feeling any different.  

[DMVol]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Nothing is in a vacuum.  I personally will take Cahill, Harvey, a 2nd round pick and International Bonus slot money and the ability to dip back into free agency next season than to sign Keuchel.  I can’t imagine anyone with patience feeling any different.  

It isn’t in a vacuum for sure....would you give up a 2nd round pick and international money for two solid years of Keuchel?

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, DMVol said:

It isn’t in a vacuum for sure....would you give up a 2nd round pick and international money for two solid years of Keuchel?

you need to add in the tens of millions of dollars required to pay Keuchel for his services. 

[Stradling]

12 minutes ago, DMVol said:

It isn’t in a vacuum for sure....would you give up a 2nd round pick and international money for two solid years of Keuchel?

No.  Because what is two solid years of Keuchel?  He had the 5th worst hits per 9 last year.  Sure he threw a lot of innings, and there is value there.  But do you keep a guy in the game when he is constantly giving up base runners if it is a close game?  Our offense isn’t on the same level as Houstons last year.  

Do you think Keuchel will be as good as he was last year this year and next?  His FIP was worse than Skaggs.  

[DMVol]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

you need to add in the tens of millions of dollars required to pay Keuchel for his services. 

True....but, other than Canning and Suarez, we’re not overloaded with SP prospects who will be ready in the next couple of years....and we’ll need to look at FA starters and spending next year...is Keuchel a better bet than what we could do next year?  I dunno...I’m just not sure if he may be a better bet, if the price is right...it’s a value judgment Eppler has to make..

[DMVol]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Do you think Keuchel will be as good as he was last year this year and next?  His FIP was worse than Skaggs.  

I don’t know...I’d certainly take 2017 for two years, which probably isn’t realistic...

[Lou]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Dude should be good for about 190 innings and 17 to 20 quality starts each of the next few seasons.  Trading for a player like that would cost more than a couple of top prospects.  

If not Keuchel then who?  Y'all want to go after 37 year old Verlander next season?

I haven't seen anyone here advocate signing Verlander. 

How about Cole, Sale, Waca, etc ?

[Dtwncbad]

There are a hundred good points on Keuchel that conclude he isn't great, isn't dominant, and gives up many hits.

And yet exactly as he is, his value to THIS starting rotation would be huge.

He isn't getting the contract he or his agent thought he would get.  I don't know what he will get.  We will see.  But if I were Eppler I would be paying attention and ready if the price drifting into a territory that matched his value to this rotation.

 

[nate]

Downtown Carlsbad must have a whole lot of drugs.

The Angels are not going to sign everyone and I doubt they sign Keuchel.  He costs a draft pick and wants multiple years.

[jgimondo]

23 hours ago, mulwin444 said:

They would lose a draft pick by signing him so I doubt Eppler would be interested...

You do not lose a draft pick if you sign him after the draft!

[T.G.]

Maybe we should turn the page on this discussion.  I'm bored.

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, True Grich said:

Maybe we should turn the page on this discussion.  I'm bored.

Maybe you should change your name to True Cozart.

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Maybe you should change your name to True Cozart.

Maybe you should leave the comedy to @Tank and @Lou

[Dtwncbad]

Grich is my second favorite player of all time.

Anyway, what is going to get pretty tired is the predictable instability of this starting staff.

Sorry if I am interested in one isolated thread to shore it up.