2020 Democratic Field

[Adam]

Tulsi is the only one I'm pulling for. I saw she was asked if she should apologize for having socially conservative parents. I assume then that Harris was asked if she had to apologize for incarcerating thousands of non-violent offenders, Warren for being a phony injun, Biden for face raping girls of all ages, etc.

[Taylor]

Trump Jr. LOL

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/01/democrats-defend-harrs-after-donald-trump-jr-race-tweet/1611224001/
 

[Blarg]

Alexander said in a statement that it was Harris' claim to African-American identity during the debate that he was denouncing...

“Me pointing out that Kamala Harris has a mother from India and a father from Jamaica went viral last night because many people assume she descends from Black American Slaves,” he said. "She does not. I corrected Kamala Harris last night because she stole debate time under the premise that she is an African-American when she is in fact a biracial Indian-Jamaican who is a first generation American."

 

Harris exploited the black community but that's cool since she's a woman and bi racial and a lib, so faultless. What should have been the headline is, Harris Steals Air Time by Cultural Appropriation .  Instead it's Trump Jr. is a racist because he didn't realize she wasn't what she was presenting herself as.

Fucked up.

[LAAMike]

13 hours ago, floplag said:

Small to medium business creates jobs, were not limited to corporate employment.  corporations are not competing for talent, they are simply taking the jobs elsewhere to pay less or importing foreign workers under bullshit programs like H1-B.  

Youre right, those things are the cause, they have gone up 10+ times more than wages have, thus the problem.  since were not going to get those prices back to 1950 levels wages need to go up in like manner or it is a problem that has no solution.   Yes, that means profits reduction for corporations but how many private jets do they need anyway?  

You ask whats wrong with many jobs, logistics, its never works, youve clearly never tried it.  Eventually one of them makes you quite the others or lose them, its a never ending nightmare.   40 hours or work takes 60 hours of effort, how does that make sense to anyone but the corporations offering the bullshit part time jobs?  Who do you think is baking the wage hikes anyway... its the perfect justification to do as you say replace them with robots. 

At  some point, people wont be able to afford the things they want us to buy as often as they want us to buy them, what will happen to the corporations then?  

It isnt sustainable, were not cattle... something has to balance the ledger. 

No argument that small to medium businesses are the biggest creator of jobs but where does the capital come from for these companies to start and grow - there will be very little of this capital available if the economy is suffering.  With your viewpoint, which candidate(s) do you think has/have the best ideas for turning things around? I still think that capital inequality represents freedom of opportunities and equality would only be the result of oppression. There all always going to be winners and losers.  I think that the housing bubble will not last and we are already seeing the greatest growth in wage gains in the low wage area.  The middle class that depended on good paying factory jobs are toast.  The new middle class, with decent wages and benefits, are government workers.  

[floplag]

12 minutes ago, LAAMike said:

No argument that small to medium businesses are the biggest creator of jobs but where does the capital come from for these companies to start and grow - there will be very little of this capital available if the economy is suffering.  With your viewpoint, which candidate(s) do you think has/have the best ideas for turning things around? I still think that capital inequality represents freedom of opportunities and equality would only be the result of oppression. There all always going to be winners and losers.  I think that the housing bubble will not last and we are already seeing the greatest growth in wage gains in the low wage area.  The middle class that depended on good paying factory jobs are toast.  The new middle class, with decent wages and benefits, are government workers.  

Interesting question... bear with, this was a can of worms.   

The capital comes from investors and banks same as anything else i suppose, corporations arent investing in small to medium businesses, they are trying to destroy them. 
The thing i dont abide is how "the economy" equates to corporations.  I get that the DOW is the main indicator of all that and the DOW damn sure isnt concerned with main street over wall street so the tendency is to say the DOW "is" the economy but to anyone not part of corporate america the DOW is the reason the economy is failing elsewhere.   I liken it to the predator model where eventually in a closed or limited environment at some point the predator itself will starve due to have eaten all its available prey, this is where i see our so-called economy going.

There is no real freedom of opportunity right now with large chains demolishing small business at every turn unless you come up with something wholly unique and then they will try to buy you out or overrun you into oblivion.  There is no white knight in corporate America.  The only winners are the top 5-10%ers, the rest of us all lose with lack of options, competition, and of course higher costs due to lesser options.  Its artificial supply and demand, if i can only get it at one place by the controlling the others, i have no real options if it is something i need. 

My greatest concern is that at the rate costs are growing at some point we wont be able to afford to continue to prop up corporate profit margins anymore unless wages rise with costs.  What happens to the DOW then?   If you farm the land and you eat everything you pick, you have nothing left to plant the following season... you die.  You build a house on a foundation of rock, not brittle twigs, and right now we are drying out fast.  We are fast approaching that, we are becoming used up, and as the saying goes you cant get blood from a turnip.  Someone has to pay for all these programs and we dont have enough legitimately rich to cover the costs, the money is controlled by too few of the elite families for example.  I see this as the inevitable end of this country if nothing is done to stop it and no one appears in any hurry to stop it and is content to simply milk it for everything its worth.  

As far as who do i see candidate wise, to be honest, no one.  How could i when none of them are talking about literally any of this?  Social agenda rules to day in a time when its the last thing that should be a priority over things that benefit all of us.  In my view it is the most artificially created problem we have that was manufactured to avoid real issues.  Social items have gone backwards 50+ years in the last 10 under identity politics in a time when we were making progress albeit slowly, all of that has been lost.   I see no one on either side talking about anything i care about.    Does anyone even know what any of their economic or foreign policy issues are at this point?  i didnt hear one damn word about it on either night of the debate other than free this free that and F*ck the orange guy.  I dont support Trump and the right wing conservatism on most things aside from maybe illegal immigration.  I agree more with the left issue wise but they have gone so far left i cant support it especially when as a straight white man they are telling me im the root of all evil and want me to finance these absurd socialist/communist programs that are not sustainable. 

The truly sad part is that were fighting over things that have long since been resolved.  Equality is the law, LGBT rights are guaranteed, yet here we are right back in this same old argument.  Its the classic distraction technique.  Things dont change overnight... you cant just fire every white CEO in the nation in a year... those people need to move on, retire, etc... but there is no patience.  People confuse rations with opportunity, how many of thus and so should never be the question, the question is did they have a fair shot at it.   Of course there will always be weak minded fools who hold to bias, we as people are fragile weak little beasts for the most part that have delusions of grandeur and self righteous attitudes that our own opinion is the only possible right and can barely see past our own noses with a flashlight... it is what it is you cant explain stupidity.

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Alexander said in a statement that it was Harris' claim to African-American identity during the debate that he was denouncing...

“Me pointing out that Kamala Harris has a mother from India and a father from Jamaica went viral last night because many people assume she descends from Black American Slaves,” he said. "She does not. I corrected Kamala Harris last night because she stole debate time under the premise that she is an African-American when she is in fact a biracial Indian-Jamaican who is a first generation American."

 

Harris exploited the black community but that's cool since she's a woman and bi racial and a lib, so faultless. What should have been the headline is, Harris Steals Air Time by Cultural Appropriation .  Instead it's Trump Jr. is a racist because he didn't realize she wasn't what she was presenting herself as.

Fucked up.

The Tweet said "American Black," not "African-American." 

[Jason]

29 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Tweet said "American Black," not "African-American." 

God bless identity politics 

[Adam]

30 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Tweet said "American Black," not "African-American." 

[Amazing Larry]

Joe Biden’s son Hunter sounds like a neat guy.

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/01/hunter-biden-started-dating-brothers-widow-right-after-crack-binge/

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

Joe Biden’s son Hunter sounds like a neat guy.

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/01/hunter-biden-started-dating-brothers-widow-right-after-crack-binge/

Great, now I have to come up with a new nickname. I'm going to miss "Baby Down"

[Spirit]

[Amazing Larry]

[Tank]

23 hours ago, Lhalo said:

Joe Biden’s son Hunter sounds like a neat guy.

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/01/hunter-biden-started-dating-brothers-widow-right-after-crack-binge/

Wow. What a mess.

[Tank]

[JarsOfClay]

On 6/28/2019 at 9:04 AM, yvangelfan said:

Trump supporters would crawl over glass naked without arms or legs to vote for Trump.

To the left, or Dems: You've seen your choices. Who are you excited about?  

I prefer Bernie or Warren. Bernie seems like he actually puts the American people first and genuinely cares about improving their quality of life especially the middle/lower class. My only issue with him is an artificial one but I'm just sick of old white men in the White House. 

My first pick would be Warren because she seems to have a plan for everything. I'm just worried she doesn't have the political courage to actually do any of it.

[JarsOfClay]

On 6/27/2019 at 9:09 PM, Blarg said:

Moderate Democrats will stay home if a far left candidate comes out the victor in the primaries. They will look at their pocketbook and decide they can hate Trump for four more years as long as their portfolio is doing well.

What is far left? Universal Health Care that both Republicans and Democrats want, and would stop the deaths of 40,000 people who die every year due to lack of healthcare?

Or is it stopping the endless wars that are costing the American taxpayer trillions and thousands of lives?

Or is the far left making college affordable which benefits the entire country, and is basically an investment into the future of the United States?

Yes please don't be far left, lets continue to let Americans suffer as much as possible. This centrist shit has worked so well the past 40 years, that's why we are 22 trillion in debt and all of our jobs have been shipped overseas.

[JarsOfClay]

On 6/28/2019 at 8:00 AM, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Agreed but I definitely can't support people talking about giving health insurance to non-citizens.  We have citizens who can't afford their health insurance as is and to pay for healthcare for all as Bernie pointed out the middle class would have to pay more.  We're 22T in debt and counting while we have a lot of things that need to be addressed, i.e. that cost money.  I agree healthcare costs is one of those issues but the answer isn't to kick everyone off private insurance and put them on some government run behemoth.       

Like Adam pointed out on this or another thread I'd rather deal with 4 more years of the current ahole then vote for people who have pie in the sky plans with no way to fund them.  

Bernie's Medicare for All plan would actually save 4-10 Trillion over 10 years. This study was done by the Koch Brothers, a couple of billionaires who pretty much control the republican party because of their large donations to them.

Yes you pay more in taxes, but you pay far less in premiums, copays etc, so you actually save money in the long run.

The issue isn't the cost - politicians tell you that to scare you away because they are well funded by the private insurance companies and it has clearly worked on you.

The real issue for Medicare for All is it would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs in the private insurance industry. 

[Adam]

3 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

Bernie's Medicare for All plan would actually save 4-10 Trillion over 10 years. This study was done by the Koch Brothers, a couple of billionaires who pretty much control the republican party because of their large donations to them.

 

Lmao

 

link please 

[the dude abides]

6 hours ago, Tank said:

lol.

[halomatt]

7 hours ago, Tank said:

They're real, and they're spectacular.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

Lmao

link please 

In reference to a working paper titled "The Costs of a Single-Payer Healthcare System":

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/

"The author of the paper, Charles Blahous, a senior research strategist at the Mercatus Center who once was the deputy director of President Bush’s National Economic Council, says the two proponents of a universal health care system are distorting the findings of his paper."

"As Blahous wrote in the fourth sentence of his abstract, “It is likely that the actual cost of M4A would be substantially greater than these estimates, which assume significant administrative and drug cost savings under the plan, and also assume that health care providers operating under M4A will be reimbursed at rates more than 40 percent lower than those currently paid by private health insurance.”

There's multiple studies/articles that say it will cost so many trillions over the next decade which will require higher taxes and others that say it will save a few trillion.  At the end of the day does anyone honestly believe the government will run something like healthcare efficiently while finding savings?  Point me in the direction of anything they've ran efficiently in the last 50 years and I'll find you 99 more than are inefficient, redundant and over budget.  This is something the magnitude of which most of us haven't seen the government take on in our lifetimes.  Get rid of hundreds of thousands of private healthcare jobs, kick millions off private plans, create more government jobs and make citizens more dependent on the government.  The federal and state governments haven't even been able to maintain our infrastructure not to mention the many other things they've failed at over the years I sure don't want to hand healthcare over to them.  Also I'd love to know if Bernie's plan accounts for the millions of illegal immigrants he raised his hand in support of giving healthcare too.  I'm sure there wouldn't be any unintended consequences of something like free healthcare to anyone who comes here illegally.

My healthcare premiums are paid by my employer which I consider part of my compensation package.  I realize that isn't normal and most people on employer provided plans pay part of their premiums.  I'm one of the middle class people Bernie talked about who would pay more and I know in the end I'll get less.  I already pay enough in federal and state income taxes not to mention the countless other taxes that chip away at my take home pay to run bloated and inefficient state and federal governments who love to make taxpayers more dependent on them.  I'm not buying into the government making my life better that's something both parties have sold lifetime supporters on yet they get less for what they pay in while the middle class continues to get screwed.

[Jason]

4 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

What is far left? Universal Health Care that both Republicans and Democrats want, and would stop the deaths of 40,000 people who die every year due to lack of healthcare?

Or is it stopping the endless wars that are costing the American taxpayer trillions and thousands of lives?

Or is the far left making college affordable which benefits the entire country, and is basically an investment into the future of the United States?

Yes please don't be far left, lets continue to let Americans suffer as much as possible. This centrist shit has worked so well the past 40 years, that's why we are 22 trillion in debt and all of our jobs have been shipped overseas.

Can you name the republicans that want UHC?

[Jason]

7 hours ago, Tank said:

“If Socialists understood boobs, they wouldn’t be nipples.”

[JarsOfClay]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

Can you name the republicans that want UHC?

Sure. It's actually 53% of republicans not "nearly half" as stated.

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

There is robust support among Democrats, and even support among Republicans, for an expansion of the Medicare program through a Medicare buy-in or a Medicaid buy-in proposal (Figure 9). In addition, nearly half of Republicans and majorities of independents and Democrats favor an optional Medicare-for-all plan (Figure 10).

[JarsOfClay]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

Lmao

 

link please 

Sure, here you go. Watch video and read the article.  https://jacobinmag.com/2018/12/medicare-for-all-study-peri-sanders