Grandal

[jessecrall]

Per the LA Times, Grandal rejected a 4/60 offer from the Mets before they went with Ramos. So I guess that's the 4-year offer we've heard about...Bad news is that apparently, he felt secure enough to reject such an offer (unless he really didn't want to play for the Mets...understandable). Good news is that one of the big buyers is off the table and Grandal's prospects might be dimming. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/rumors-grandal-mets-dodgers-tigers-castellanos.html

[Stradling]

I really don’t know if I want him.  I actually would feel better about signing him if we got another starter in free agency so we can trade a starter to get a prospect in return.  

[Dtwncbad]

I have very little interest if that's the price range.

[Halodays]

He rejected 4/60?....I hope it's because he didn't want to play for the Mets and not because he thinks he can get more money or years. I guess there might be some sucker but I sure hope it's not the Angels.

[tdawg87]

I don't think 4/60 is that bad, honestly. Obviously I wouldn't want to go more than that but I wouldn't pitch a fit if the Angels offered that much. It's not my money.

We need a catcher.

[floplag]

4/60 is high, but not super high.  i figured 3 years 12 or 13 AAV so 15 isnt hugely out of line but i would prefer the 13 and i would prefer 3 years.  Lets hope he just didnt want the east coast. 

[bloodbrother]

Thus ends the Grandal discussion

 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, bloodbrother said:

Thus ends the Grandal discussion

 

 

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

 

lol, who is Jared Tims?

btw, this won't happen.

[Lou]

Derek Williams is reporting that the Angels are pursuing Dallas Keuchal 

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

Derek Williams is reporting that the Angels are pursuing Dallas Keuchal 

I don’t know if this is a joke or not.  Mainly because I don’t know who Derek Williams is.  

[Lou]

Just now, Stradling said:

I don’t know if this is a joke or not.  Mainly because I don’t know who Derek Williams is.  

he's good friends with Jared Tims

[Tank]

4 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I don't think 4/60 is that bad, honestly. Obviously I wouldn't want to go more than that but I wouldn't pitch a fit if the Angels offered that much. It's not my money.

just for comparison's sake, we signed vlad for 5/75 plus a 6th year team option.

at 4/60, grandal would be paid as much as vlad was. let that sink in a moment.

[tdawg87]

2 hours ago, Tank said:

just for comparison's sake, we signed vlad for 5/75 plus a 6th year team option.

at 4/60, grandal would be paid as much as vlad was. let that sink in a moment.

Vlad would easily get 30 million today.

[ettin]

3 hours ago, Tank said:

just for comparison's sake, we signed vlad for 5/75 plus a 6th year team option.

at 4/60, grandal would be paid as much as vlad was. let that sink in a moment.

Ummm... that was 15 years ago Tank?

[Tank]

16 hours ago, ettin said:

Ummm... that was 15 years ago Tank?

yep. just thought i'd throw it out there.

doggone . . . 15 years ago already?

[ten ocho recon scout]

23 hours ago, Tank said:

yep. just thought i'd throw it out there.

doggone . . . 15 years ago already?

Its been like 30 since iron eagle came out!

[Docwaukee]

On 12/29/2018 at 4:48 PM, Tank said:

yep. just thought i'd throw it out there.

doggone . . . 15 years ago already?

you want a butterscotch candy to help you get through?  

[totdprods]

This whole Grandal situation feels like a carbon-copy of Mike Moustakas' free agency last year. 

Solid player who gets tagged with a QO (that they probably should have accepted) which puts them in free agency purgatory. The player/agent comes away with an inflated asking price, using the QO's rate as leverage, no team wants to pay anything close to that and lose a draft pick, etc. asking for 5/$75m+ when they're more like a 3/$30m.

By the end of it, Grandal winds up signing with the Dodgers for 1/$10m (and Angel fans will bitch about Eppler jumping the gun with Lucroy)n and goes into it again next season without the QO. 

[wopphil]

12 minutes ago, totdprods said:

This whole Grandal situation feels like a carbon-copy of Mike Moustakas' free agency last year. 

Solid player who gets tagged with a QO (that they probably should have accepted) which puts them in free agency purgatory. The player/agent comes away with an inflated asking price, using the QO's rate as leverage, no team wants to pay anything close to that and lose a draft pick, etc. asking for 5/$75m+ when they're more like a 3/$30m.

By the end of it, Grandal winds up signing with the Dodgers for 1/$10m (and Angel fans will bitch about Eppler jumping the gun with Lucroy)n and goes into it again next season without the QO. 

Well said. If he truly walked away from a 4/60 offer, I gotta believe he is going to be mightily disappointed.

[Stradling]

If his price drops to 3 years and $30 million simply sign him and make Lucroy the back up. 

[totdprods]

16 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If his price drops to 3 years and $30 million simply sign him and make Lucroy the back up. 

Sounds good in theory, but I doubt it's realistic. They like what Lucroy can do and gave him the job based on their discussions with him, doubt they'd want to go back on that commitment now. More likely they'd just look at Grandal next offseason, as they'll be in the market once again.

Eppler's committed to these bargains early in the offseason before and stuck with them, even as 'better' players prices dropped later in the offseason.

[Docwaukee]

[IEAngelsfan]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

More like...

[Inside Pitch]

Apparently, the Angels made an offer but, Grandal didnt want to take less than other catchers had taken before him.    Meanwhile in reality-land -- the McCaan and Martin deals are guidelines why teams shouldn't make similar deals moving forward.

From mlbtraderumors.com

• Before signing a one-year deal with the Brewers worth $18.25MM in guaranteed money, Yasmani Grandal received multi-year offers from the Angels, Twins, and White Sox, The Athletic’s Robert Murray reports (subscription required).  These offers were in addition to the four-year deal reportedly floated by the Mets for Grandal, which he turned down.  As Grandal explained, taking the longer-term offers would’ve meant setting what he felt was a bad precedent for free agent catching contracts.  “One of my responsibilities as a player is also to respect the guys going through this process before me like Brian McCann, Russell Martin, Yadier Molina…These are guys who have established a market and pay levels for a particular tier of catchers like myself,” Grandal said.  “I felt l would be doing a disservice taking some of the deals that were offered even though they were slightly more long term.  I wanted to keep the line moving and set a bar for the younger guys coming up.  In hopes of them following our footsteps….hopefully, they know what they are worth and would go ahead and get paid what they’re worth.”  Grandal can technically achieve a second year on his Brewers deal, a mutual option for 2020 worth $16MM, though it seems unlikely that both he and the team would agree to enact their respective sides of that option.