Jean Segura?

[totdprods]

Thoughts? I realize that at first glance, there's no way the Mariners would...
1) trade Segura and
2) especially to an in-division rival and
3) even more especially, to the Angels, and that the idea seems completely insane.

But thinking on it a little deeper...the Mariners might have reason to shop Dee Gordon or Jean Segura this offseason following their September brawl. Gordon is likely going to be really difficult to trade, where Segura would draw a ton of interest. In addition, moving Segura would clear some much-needed payroll for the M's (so they can presumably fill it right back up with questionable FA decisions) but Segura would also bring back some prospects to a farm that is completely barren (and of course give Dipoto trade currency to shop with again), so we'll run with an assumption that Segura gets shopped. 

So why the Angels? Basically, it comes down to four names. Tyler Skaggs, Jahmai Jones, Taylor Ward, and...Zack Cozart!?
Dipoto has long been very high on Skaggs, dealing for him twice, and also oversaw the drafting of Jones and Ward, who Eppler has developed into legitimate prospects. Surely, Dipoto would have interest in all three of these names. Dipoto has also shown that he loves acquiring players with whom he's familiar, and that tends to inflate their value a bit, which would be in the Angels favor. Zack Cozart?!? Dipoto tried acquiring Cozart numerous times in the two years leading up to his free agency, so there's at least some residual interest there as well.

Working for?
The Angels would land a young, impact infielder who could man 2B and the top of the line-up, and offer SS insurance should Simmons wind up hurt - or walk in FA in two years.
The Mariners get a potential front-line lefty to help them with their 'win-now' push, some long-term salary relief, and some much needed prospects. Cozart could man SS, Gordon back to 2B. Cano slides over to 1B if they re-sign Cruz, or DH if Cruz walks.

Working against?
The Angels would assume quite a bit of salary back - but shedding Skaggs' est. $4.3m in arbitration and Cozart's $13m evens things out, at least on the short-term.
The Angels also lose a big piece of their rotation - but also one that has proven to be hard to rely on. It gives them the opening and need to sign Keuchel or Corbin, and frees up some money to do so.
The Mariners would also have Paxton, Skaggs, Gonzales, and LeBlanc - all lefties - in their rotation.
The Angels also give quite a bit up in this deal, but Segura is a pretty legitimate long-term piece. Maybe they pull back a vet reliever owed money (Nicasio) or a fringey prospect for OF/C depth?

In a vacuum, this seems like a pretty realistic discussion - but with the history between Dipoto and the Angels and the in-division aspect, it's probably next to impossible, but Dipoto has a flair for doing some pretty insane, unpredictable moves, so maybe there's some chance?

[GrittyVeterans]

I’d take him. He’d be an enormous upgrade and a nice leadoff hitter

[ten ocho recon scout]

I like the idea, but dont see any chance at all it comes true. Way too much bad blood between dipoto and the angels org

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I like the idea, but dont see any chance at all it comes true. Way too much bad blood between dipoto and the angels org

Agreed; the only reasons I think it has any shot is because Dipoto is pretty unpredictable, Sosh is now gone, and Jerry is simply too hung up on Skaggs, and potentially Ward, Jones, and Cozart. 

[Second Base]

I thought about Segura. Maybe if the Angels worked through a third party on this one. Have an NL team or whoever trade for him with the specific plan that they'll flip him our way for prospects. 

I cant remember too many recent circumstances outside of the rule 5 draft where this happened. I think back when Reagins was GM and we traded for Vernon Wells. The Jays and Rangers had a prearranged deal that Francisco and Napoli would switch hands because obviously the Angels weren't going to deal Napoli straight to the Rangers.

[Second Base]

I sort of just wish we never traded Segura in the first place. Watching Greinke in an Angel uniform was a truly beautiful thing to see, but it didn't end up making a difference.

[eligrba]

46 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

I sort of just wish we never traded Segura in the first place. Watching Greinke in an Angel uniform was a truly beautiful thing to see, but it didn't end up making a difference.

It did make a difference to the future roster and still impacts decisions being made today.  It was Dibozo at his best and we all approved.  Hope Seattle enjoys their GM and manager for a very long time.

[Second Base]

11 minutes ago, eligrba said:

It did make a difference to the future roster and still impacts decisions being made today.  It was Dibozo at his best and we all approved.  Hope Seattle enjoys their GM and manager for a very long time.

I thought that was Reagins.

[Docwaukee]

not super cheap but controlled at 14.85mil per for the next 4 years and 17m option for 2023.  

You'd have to sort of dupe Dipoto and let him think he's trading Segura to someone else and then we turn around and acquire him from that other team. 

It also makes Jones and probably Rengifo fairly expendable.  

Unlikely but would be a nice move if the price is right.  

[Blarg]

The Matmriners desperately need pitching. The Angels really don't have a surplus of pitching and trading Skaggs means the Angels are now shopping for two starters instead of one.

What you are presenting is raising the payroll by not only Segura but also a replacement arm for Skaggs. The Mariners will have no desire to take Cozart on a salary dump. 

I think you guys are just to jacked up on trade porn. 

[Angel Oracle]

What Blarg said about Segura.

Gordon, no freaking way!  OBP nightmare for a leadoff guy 

[Angelsjunky]

I like Segura, obviously, but just don't see 2B as a huge need with Cozart, Fletcher, Rengifo, and eventually Jones all capable of providing at least league average results, potentially more - and for much cheaper.

Eppler has bigger fish to fry with 1B, 3B, RF, and C all being weak spots in the lineup, not to mention pitching. I think we'll see an upgrade at C and at one of 1B/3B/RF, but he'll fill 2B from within. 

[stormngt]

29 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I like Segura, obviously, but just don't see 2B as a huge need with Cozart, Fletcher, Rengifo, and eventually Jones all capable of providing at least league average results, potentially more - and for much cheaper.

Eppler has bigger fish to fry with 1B, 3B, RF, and C all being weak spots in the lineup, not to mention pitching. I think we'll see an upgrade at C and at one of 1B/3B/RF, but he'll fill 2B from within. 

You say third base is an area of need and 2b isnt because of Cozart, Fletcher, and Rengifo.  However couldn't all three of those play 3b as well?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

3 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

I thought that was Reagins.

Dipoto was Angel's GM from 2011-2014. Grienke was an Angel in 2012...

[Second Base]

11 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Dipoto was Angel's GM from 2011-2014. Grienke was an Angel in 2012...

Yeah I was mistaken. 

[OregonLAA]

Cesar Hernandez. Great OBP for the top of the order. This is the year we get him I think 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

7 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

I sort of just wish we never traded Segura in the first place. Watching Greinke in an Angel uniform was a truly beautiful thing to see, but it didn't end up making a difference.

And at the end of the season, he was a Dodger.

[Taylor]

Baldoquin for Segura

[T.G.]

It was bad enough when we had a guy named Rene.  Now you want Jean? Who's next? Sally?

[Troll Daddy]

Vote no on proposition Segura 

[ettin]

The Mariners will be competing next year so it seems very unlikely that this could occur. On top of that we would have to send an equally valuable piece or pieces. Would be very difficult to consummate but not impossible with a wheeler and dealer like Dipoto. With Cozart's contract I don't think 2B is our issue right now as he is almost certainly slated for the keystone.

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, True Grich said:

It was bad enough when we had a guy named Rene.  Now you want Jean? Who's next? Sally?

Then there was the three Lachemanns in the 1980s-1990s.    Marcel, Rene, and Billy; and as Jim Rome would joke, they could open their own French coffee place.