Wil Myers

[Barrett]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Trout 

I get that. But who else in baseball are capable of being the "right" guy?

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t think you’re hearing what I said about the luxury tax. 

i read it, perhaps i misunderstood, care to clarify?
From what i read you suggested that the team would spend only about 30 mil. 
Considering that as of today we are committed only to about 125M going into next year without about 50 coming off the books pre-arb/raises/etc.. from the current levels of about 174.
30 mil doesnt even get back to current levels, what have i overlooked?

Sources: Sportrac

[WeatherWonk]

17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Trout 

OK, so we already have Trout and it isnt enough. So, we ADD Trout and then we're good to go?  

[WeatherWonk]

4 minutes ago, floplag said:

i read it, perhaps i misunderstood, care to clarify?
From what i read you suggested that the team would spend only about 30 mil. 
Considering that as of today we are committed only to about 125M going into next year without about 50 coming off the books pre-arb/raises/etc.. from the current levels of about 174.
30 mil doesnt even get back to current levels, what have i overlooked?

Sources: Sportrac

Great point, if true.

Our payroll actually went down last year from 2016, according to Spotrac. Is Arte shooting for this again?

[Barrett]

11 minutes ago, floplag said:

i read it, perhaps i misunderstood, care to clarify?
From what i read you suggested that the team would spend only about 30 mil. 
Considering that as of today we are committed only to about 125M going into next year without about 50 coming off the books pre-arb/raises/etc.. from the current levels of about 174.
30 mil doesnt even get back to current levels, what have i overlooked?

Sources: Sportrac

I think he is saying that the AAV isn't what you should be looking at you should be looking at the actual numbers. 

[floplag]

2 minutes ago, Barrett said:

I think he is saying that the AAV isn't what you should be looking at you should be looking at the actual numbers. 

if im not mistaken those ARE the actual numbers, not AAV.  

[m0nkey]

59 minutes ago, Lou said:

better than Darvish 

Yu Darvish - 6 yrs, $56 Million in payroll.  18.6 WAR over that time.

Pujols, over the same 6 years - $126 Million paid, 12.8 WAR

[Jeff Fletcher]

19 minutes ago, floplag said:

i read it, perhaps i misunderstood, care to clarify?
From what i read you suggested that the team would spend only about 30 mil. 
Considering that as of today we are committed only to about 125M going into next year without about 50 coming off the books pre-arb/raises/etc.. from the current levels of about 174.
30 mil doesnt even get back to current levels, what have i overlooked?

Sources: Sportrac

That's not counting the $20M for 0-3s, benefits, bonuses, etc.

[floplag]

5 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

That's not counting the $20M for 0-3s, benefits, bonuses, etc.

I had allowed for that i thought suggesting 10-20 off the top in my post.  
Taking this into account are you suggesting that plus 30? 50 total.
Assuming the 125 we are currently at that still only beings us back to current levels and still a good 30-40 under the luxury tax.

[Jeff Fletcher]

2 minutes ago, floplag said:

I had allowed for that i thought suggesting 10-20 off the top in my post.  
Taking this into account are you suggesting that plus 30? 50 total.
Assuming the 125 we are currently at that still only beings us back to current levels and still a good 30-40 under the luxury tax.

Pujols 28

Trout 34

Simmons 13

Upton 18

Calhoun 10.5

Cozart 12.67

Shoemaker 5

Parker 3.5

Alvarez 3

Skaggs 5

Heaney 4

Bedrosian 2

Ramirez 3

Tropeano 1

0-3, bonus: 20

That's about 163. They're going to be around 195-200ish.

[Stradling]

32 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

OK, so we already have Trout and it isnt enough. So, we ADD Trout and then we're good to go?  

My point is don’t be surprised if they upgrade the team next year and then give Trout an extension that puts them over the threshold.  

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Pujols 28

Trout 34

Simmons 13

Upton 18

Calhoun 10.5

Cozart 12.67

Shoemaker 5

Parker 3.5

Alvarez 3

Skaggs 5

Heaney 4

Bedrosian 2

Ramirez 3

Tropeano 1

0-3, bonus: 20

That's about 163. They're going to be around 195-200ish.

So im underestimating how much the arb guys are going to make then by a wide margin then, thats where my math is off. 
Thanks for that.
If the sum total is where you suggest then that answers my question as it would be up against  ht cap with a little wiggle room.    

[WeatherWonk]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

My point is don’t be surprised if they upgrade the team next year and then give Trout an extension that puts them over the threshold.  

So, this theoretical 30 mil figure might be for upgrades, not counting a Trout extension.

And I suppose we could work a Trout extention that is backloaded and doesnt figure in until Albatross is gone? And maybe actually stay just barely over? We "Bonilla" Trout's extension?

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, WeatherWonk said:

So, this theoretical 30 mil figure might be for upgrades, not counting a Trout extension.

And I suppose we could work a Trout extention that is backloaded and doesnt figure in until Albatross is gone? And maybe actually stay just barely over? We "Bonilla" Trout's extension?

I am just guessing, but I actually meant for the following season.  I am just speculating that Arte thinks Trout is the "right person".

[WeatherWonk]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I am just guessing, but I actually meant for the following season.  I am just speculating that Arte thinks Trout is the "right person".

Well, he's the best. But we need more.

I still dont feel we have enough "protection" in the lineup behind Trout. At least Albert is now acknowledged to be inadequate by the organization, and has been moved down.

We need two hitters behind Trout that will make teams pay for walking him 100+ times a year. Or make them pitch to him. Ohtani could be one. I dont know about Upton. Too many Ks and not enough hits.

[kevinb]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I am just guessing, but I actually meant for the following season.  I am just speculating that Arte thinks Trout is the "right person".

The 400 million dollar question is does Trout think Arte and the Angels are the right organization.

[WeatherWonk]

2 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

The 400 million dollar question is does Trout think Arte and the Angels are the right organization.

Does it make sense to suppose that the Angels being competitive is part of being "the right organization"? I think it does. Is Trout just in this for the money, or does he want a shot at a championship? 

[kevinb]

20 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

Does it make sense to suppose that the Angels being competitive is part of being "the right organization"? I think it does. Is Trout just in this for the money, or does he want a shot at a championship? 

It has to be. I mean I don't know Trout I've met him a handful of times. But if it were me it would be about winning and money. The last 4 years this team has been garbage and maybe that eventually wears on him or maybe he doesn't care and is comfortable and/or maybe he sees a bright future. What I do know about professional athletes from listening to enough of them talk about stuff. None of them care about minor leaguers or rookies, unless you've done it on the field in the bigs you mean zero to them. 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, m0nkey said:

Yu Darvish - 6 yrs, $56 Million in payroll.  18.6 WAR over that time.

Pujols, over the same 6 years - $126 Million paid, 12.8 WAR

/sarcasm 

what has that mouse done to you? 

[IEAngelsfan]

3 hours ago, Tank said:

in 1979 i dated a girl who was making a giant needlepoint of the angels logo for me. broke up with her before she finished it and have no idea what happened to it. 

maybe i shoulda stuck around a couple more months. oh well.

Looks like you were dating some wild women back in the day, you Casanova.

[Lou]

btw, you forgot to add in Yu's $50+ million posting fee

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, IEAngelsfan said:

Looks like you were dating some wild women back in the day, you Casanova.

back then his nickname was Machine Gun 

[m0nkey]

10 minutes ago, Lou said:

/sarcasm 

what has that mouse done to you? 

The forum to discuss that no longer exists.

[m0nkey]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

btw, you forgot to add in Yu's $50+ million posting fee

Yu Darvish - 6 yrs, $56 Million in payroll, $51.7 million posting fee.  18.6 WAR over that time.

Pujols, over the same 6 years - $126 Million paid, 12.8 WAR

[m0nkey]

Also not included were the three prospects/minor leaguers they got in return.