Rosenthal: The Angels don’t want to trade Mike Trout — so they need to make him an offer

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Many great points to be made here, but the "he wont get traded ever" folks, im sorry, but that simply isnt he case and cannot be the case.  No player is more important than the franchise, even the best in the game.

We will see how the winter unfolds, i dont think it happens this week, but it should happen prior to opening day 19 and have some kind of resolution.

It all comes down to winning, and the effort we make to be a contender and whether or not thats feasible in the next 2 years. 

Think about it, most here keep talking about 2020-2021 and beyond as when we are likely to be significantly improved.  By the it is probable that Pujols will have retired and Trout may or may not still be here.   Consider for a moment what we could get to help that plan if we did in fact trade him?

With what we already have on the farm, add in 5 or 6 more top 100 type guys that are near ML ready and wee are literally the next braves/astros.   Isnt that the goal?  If you sit back and think logically, isnt that what we are trying to do?  

The best possible plan would be for Trout to make allowances and give the club time to work the plan and sign an extension with an opt out or something if it isnt working by lets say 2022, but thats up to him.

But you cant simply say no way no how not ever when it comes to player trades, the name on the front has to matter more than the name on the back.  

[Troll Daddy]

 

[kevinb]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Remember the M-Cab trade in 2007?   The Fish wish they never made that trade, as truly only Anthony Miller did anything special, and that was for the Indians years later.

So what would u suggest if Trout doesn’t sign an extension just let him walk? 

[Angel Dog and Beer]

10 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

 

 

 

Replying to @MLB @MikeTrout @Eagles

Isn’t every day an off day for the Angels?

 

 

Ok, I laughed.

[Troll Daddy]

 

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

Meh..   

According to Trout he likes playing for the Angels and he likes it on the West Coast.   According to Mike Trout he wants to win.   Let the industry set the bar salary wise this year -- offer him a long extension with the promise the team will do everything it can to compete.   Offer him opt outs after years 2-4, etc etc..   If the Angels don't make headway, he can peace out.  If they do, everyone wins.

The loss of his brother in law may loom heavy in all this, he's big on family.  But all the hand wringing and talking about whether he stays or goes is premature or just plain pointless.  Focus on winning and my guess is the situation will play itself out.  If he doesn't want to stay or he wants to play back East then there isn't anything the Angels could do about it and I'm sure he'd tell the Angels and then they can make a decision.

Go Angels.

Pretty much all of this...

Harper and Machado are the big boys this winter and are comparative to Trout in that they are both young (both 26) and are considered among the premium talent of their game.  Angels will use those deals as the basis for their extension offer to Trout, obviously with a richer return and, like you said, likely with an Opt-Out around year three so he's still under 30.

But, apart from that, there is no way he gets traded this winter, despite what the "Angels' Torture Porn" enthusiasts are gnashing their teeth over.  

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15 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

What is up with these websites that make you pay to read an article? Malarkey!

I know seriously...and while we are at it...why can't I just go into a grocery store and take what I want without paying for it?

[Troll Daddy]

9 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Pretty much all of this...

Harper and Machado are the big boys this winter and are comparative to Trout in that they are both young (both 26) and are considered among the premium talent of their game.  Angels will use those deals as the basis for their extension offer to Trout, obviously with a richer return and, like you said, likely with an Opt-Out around year three so he's still under 30.

But, apart from that, there is no way he gets traded this winter, despite what the "Angels' Torture Porn" enthusiasts are gnashing their teeth over.  

Trout’s current contract ends in two years ... why would Trout sign a extension to opt out the following year?

[mulwin444]

7 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

Trout’s current contract ends in two years ... why would Trout sign a extension to opt out the following year?

You re-do his current contract...this isn't difficult to grasp.

In other words, you tear up the current contract, offer a 10 year deal, 3 or 4 year opt out...it extends him to year 37 but allows him the freedom to move on if things aren't happening as he wants.

[Chuck]

Oh Bowden...

 

STEP 1: Offer Mike Trout 10 years/$370 million this off-season.

STEP 2:

STEP 3: Profit

... and if you can't sign him, it's time to trade him.#TheHaloWay @JimBowdenGM, with @Jim_Duquette, on why it may finally be time for the #Angels to move their superstar this winter: pic.twitter.com/s61SDiwMkv

— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) September 7, 2018

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The Angels do not want to be the organization that traded away Mike Trout.

They also do not want to be the organization that never won with him.

They also do not want to be left with nothing if he chooses to walk away in free agency.

Most importantly they do not want to be the team Mike Trout wanted to leave for a franchise more committed to winning.

If the Angels put their tails between their legs for 2019 with an excuse that they lost Ohtani, or that they can't find any way to improve the team with $75m in open salary space, then they are begging Mike Trout to conclude this is not the team for him.

The owner and the GM better figure this out.

One MAJOR piece of the Pujols signing decision was the idea that not every fan in the fan base is a diehard freak addicted to the Angels.  There was value in getting Pujols to have a highly marketable name to appeal to the masses.

The philosophy is correct except the player to have in order to hold the largest fan base now is Trout, not Pujols.

He also happens to be the best player in the game most important to any plan to win.

If the Angels can't recognize the critical timing right now of convincing Trout this is the place to be (and that means not being an organization that will discard another year in his prime), then they deserve the loss of Trout and the loss of the masses of fans connected to the team as a result of him being in an Angel uniform.

Their window to extend is this offseason with the market set from what all these other big free agents get.

And his interest in committing to the extension offer will absolutely be affected by what how this organization sets itself up to compete in 2019.

"Commit to us while we make a conscious decision to already raise the white flag for 2019 and just chill for better days ahead we hope" is not going to work.

It's not.

[Troll Daddy]

10 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

You re-do his current contract...this isn't difficult to grasp.

In other words, you tear up the current contract, offer a 10 year deal, 3 or 4 year opt out...it extends him to year 37 but allows him the freedom to move on if things aren't happening as he wants.

That goes without saying ... so by giving him a 3 year opt out it only guarantees the Angels one additional year of Trout but guarantees Trout hundreds of millions of dollars.

ok  

[tdawg87]

5 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

That goes without saying ... so by giving him a 3 year opt out it only guarantees the Angels one additional year of Trout but guarantees Trout hundreds of millions of dollars.

ok  

I want to watch mulwin hatefuck you.

[Troll Daddy]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I want to watch mulwin hatefuck you.

So do I ... he hates to be challenged. You did a nice job hating me the other day. Kudos

 

[red321]

35 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Oh Bowden...

 

Bowden has a radio show? And it's not just him recording his own podcast? What the fuck is wrong with people

[IEAngelsfan]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

 

Oh crap!

Does this mean we have to keep Cam to make Trout happy?

[IEAngelsfan]

1 hour ago, mulwin444 said:

But, apart from that, there is no way he gets traded this winter, despite what the "Angels' Torture Porn" enthusiasts are gnashing their teeth over.  

Ha........Trout torture porn!  Isn't there more important things in life to fret over than this?

As others have already mentioned, let it play out and see what happens.  I'm sure Eppler has a plan on how to extend Trout and will approach him and his team when the time is right.

[Taylor]

28 minutes ago, IEAngelsfan said:

Oh crap!

Does this mean we have to keep Cam to make Trout happy?

Cam has a dog named Traffic on the 91, so I think we're good.

[well_red]

there are basically zero baseball reasons for trout to agree to an extension this offseason.  there will also be a giant elephant in the room all next year if they put an offer on the table and he doesn't sign or drags his feet, that will be brought up in every press conference etc.  personally think they are better off seeing how the first half plays out next year.

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

That goes without saying ... so by giving him a 3 year opt out it only guarantees the Angels one additional year of Trout but guarantees Trout hundreds of millions of dollars.

ok  

I'm giving the likeliest scenario based on market trends...Kershaw is staring at an Opt Out right now, should the Dodgers have not signed him to that deal?  

The Angels aren't going to offer that but Trout's agent likely asking for it because he wants max dollars, max years, max opportunities, hell, I'm sure he'd like multiple opt outs within the deal to re-negotiate...are you going tell Trout "no deal, all years locked in, take it or leave it"?  No, you are going to offer a long term contract with a one time opt out as a compromise.  Also, the additional year or two (opt out in year 3 or 4) gives the Angels a chance to continue to build within and improve their ballclub.  Are they competitive in 2019?  Questionable but 2020?  If all goes to plan, they are better while the Astros are getting older, more expensive, and their draft picks are in later rounds.  If by 2021 or 2022, the Angels are still eating a shitsandwich, he opts out as there is really nothing to stop him doing so nor anything compelling him to stay.  He may opt out anyway to tack another couple of years on to that as well.  

We are recovering from the Reaggins/Dipoto years and are starting to see some traction on improving through Eppler's efforts in the draft, working the waiver wire, improving where cost efficient...all with an eye towards a sweet spot where the talent graduates and Trout is the centerpiece and leader of a playoff-worthy Angels team.

However, as other's have said, if, internally and privately, he has expressed his desire to relocate to the East Coast, you obviously explore your options...I don't know if there is a good time to trade Trout, though.  Maybe he would still make that demand regardless of the Angels' competitiveness.  He seems like a legit honest and straightforward guy, so I'm sure if he said that's his preference, he'd mean it and it wouldn't be a negotiation tactic.

However, if he does indeed enjoy playing for the Angels and in SoCal, you do your best to keep him in an Angels uniform as long as possible while building the talent around him.

Either way, though, it's not the end of the world if he leaves...

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Oh Bowden...

 

Who is Bowden the GM of again?  Oh, wait...

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

So do I ... he hates to be challenged. You did a nice job hating me the other day. Kudos

 

Quit being such a drama queen...you get challenged because you're a troll with shitty takes and questionable allegiances.

You're "challenged" the moment you start typing 

[Troll Daddy]

10 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

I'm giving the likeliest scenario based on market trends...Kershaw is staring at an Opt Out right now, should the Dodgers have not signed him to that deal?  

The Angels aren't going to offer that but Trout's agent likely asking for it because he wants max dollars, max years, max opportunities, hell, I'm sure he'd like multiple opt outs within the deal to re-negotiate...are you going tell Trout "no deal, all years locked in, take it or leave it"?  No, you are going to offer a long term contract with a one time opt out as a compromise.  Also, the additional year or two (opt out in year 3 or 4) gives the Angels a chance to continue to build within and improve their ballclub.  Are they competitive in 2019?  Questionable but 2020?  If all goes to plan, they are better while the Astros are getting older, more expensive, and their draft picks are in later rounds.  If by 2021 or 2022, the Angels are still eating a shitsandwich, he opts out as there is really nothing to stop him doing so nor anything compelling him to stay.  He may opt out anyway to tack another couple of years on to that as well.  

We are recovering from the Reaggins/Dipoto years and are starting to see some traction on improving through Eppler's efforts in the draft, working the waiver wire, improving where cost efficient...all with an eye towards a sweet spot where the talent graduates and Trout is the centerpiece and leader of a playoff-worthy Angels team.

However, as other's have said, if, internally and privately, he has expressed his desire to relocate to the East Coast, you obviously explore your options...I don't know if there is a good time to trade Trout, though.  Maybe he would still make that demand regardless of the Angels' competitiveness.  He seems like a legit honest and straightforward guy, so I'm sure if he said that's his preference, he'd mean it and it wouldn't be a negotiation tactic.

However, if he does indeed enjoy playing for the Angels and in SoCal, you do your best to keep him in an Angels uniform as long as possible while building the talent around him.

Either way, though, it's not the end of the world if he leaves...

Kershaw’s deal was for seven years and the opt out was after the fifth year. That’s a better scenario for the Angels if a opt out was needed to close the deal. 

[Troll Daddy]

15 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Quit being such a drama queen...you get challenged because you're a troll with shitty takes and questionable allegiances.

You're "challenged" the moment you start typing 

Questionable allegiances ... really. I guess your takes are all star ️ worthy. 

[mulwin444]

1 minute ago, Troll Daddy said:

Questionable allegiances ... really. I guess your takes are all star ️ worthy. 

 

Nope, not at all...I just haven't been trolling the same fansite for over a decade.