Angels 40 Man Roster Decisions

[ksangel]

Teams have till this Friday to add certain players (won't go into the requirements) to their 40 man roster or expose them to the Rule V Draft.

Out of the Angels top 30 prospects Nate Smith, Chad Hinshaw, Manny Banuelos, Kyle McGowin, Keynan Middleton and Jesus Castillo have to be added to 40 man roster or be exposed to draft.

Angels 40 man roster stands at 39 now so of the above group who do they add and if they add more than one who gets dropped from the 40 man roster?

[Angel Oracle]

Middleton is a no brainer to add.     

[Second Base]

3 minutes ago, ksangel said:

Teams have till this Friday to add certain players (won't go into the requirements) to their 40 man roster or expose them to the Rule V Draft.

Out of the Angels top 30 prospects Nate Smith, Chad Hinshaw, Manny Banuelos, Kyle McGowin, Keynan Middleton and Jesus Castillo have to be added to 40 man roster or be exposed to draft.

Angels 40 man roster stands at 39 now so of the above group who do they add and if they add more than one who gets dropped from the 40 man roster?

I think you're off on Jesus Castillo and Manny Banuelos. 

Theres already another thread on this, but the consensus is Nate Smith and Key Middleton will likely be added. McGowin probably won't be grabbed in the draft but he's a possibility.

[ksangel]

8 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

I think you're off on Jesus Castillo and Manny Banuelos. 

Theres already another thread on this, but the consensus is Nate Smith and Key Middleton will likely be added. McGowin probably won't be grabbed in the draft but he's a possibility.

Names came from article on MLB.com.

 

Castillo is 21 and was signed at 16 and has been playing 5 seasons so I'd think he fits the eligibility requirements.

Banuelos is 25 and was signed in 2008 and has been playing 8 seasons so I'd think he fits the eligibility also.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

No one is going to be running for our studly minor league system....Really? I mean Really?.... Come on MAN!

[oater]

4 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

No one is going to be running for our studly minor league system....Really? I mean Really?.... Come on MAN!

Chris O'Grady was selected last year and he likely will be available again this year.  So . . .

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

1 minute ago, oater said:

Chris O'Grady was selected last year and he likely will be available again this year.  So . . .

Thanks for proving my point.... We got him back! They didn't even want to pay us 50K for the guy! Which is a bit lower than the Manager at McDonalds makes now.....just sayin!~

[Oz27]

Smith, Banuelos and Middleton would all likely be claimed if left unprotected. I'm not going to lose any sleep if we don't protect the others though. They sure don't seem major league ready. If another team takes one of them, we would probably get them back soon enough.

[Erstad Grit]

We should be looking to steal a player rather than concerned with anyone wanting ours. 

[Angel Oracle]

Never know when the next Roberto Clemente will be left unprotected

[Hubs]

Selection eligibility[edit]

Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and:

– were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or

– were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

These exemption periods (one year longer than those in effect previously) went into effect as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement in October 2006. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing.

 

As such, no one from the 2014 draft is eligible. 

Nate Smith will be eligible, but likely will get a spot on the 40 man. Middleton and Castillo as well. Maybe Baneulos, but I don't think anyone is going to take him. There is a lot of dead weight on the 40-man right now, so guys who were born in the 80's and I've never heard of are likely headed out the door. 

[totdprods]

Wouldn't be so sure about no one taking Banuelos. Starting pitching is at a premium right now. Our two RuleV selections last year were guys who had signed as minor league free agents, so it does happen.

[Second Base]

These are the guys I'm more than willing to drop off the 40-man; Jose Alvarez, Cody Ege, Ashur Tolliver, Daniel Wright, Juan Graterol.  

If we're currently at 39 players, that would drop us down to 34.  If Nate Smith, Key Middleton, Jesus Castillo and Manny Banuelos need to be put on it, that would put us at 38, which is perfectly fine with me.  Enough to bring in a 4th OF, and use the Rule 5 draft to our advantage.  I'm guessing that if we get a 2B, it'll be via trade and won't need to get rid of anyone. 

Alvarez reminds me too much of Salas, and really doesn't offer anything any of the other pitchers don't.  Age is a soft tossing lefty, who's upside is just a left specialist.  Tolliver is similar.  Daniel Wright just isn't a good enough starting pitcher to warrant a waiver claim in the first place and would likely pass through waivers.  Graterol has a cool story, but he could be replaced by any number of minor leaguers. 

[ukyah]

6 hours ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Thanks for proving my point.... We got him back! They didn't even want to pay us 50K for the guy! Which is a bit lower than the Manager at McDonalds makes now.....just sayin!~

that's not the way it works.

they pay 50,000 when they drafted him from us, then we pay 25,000 when they offer him back to us. 

edit: i just reread your comment and processed it differently. i think you're still off though. it's not that they wanted to recoup the 25000 dollars. it's that they didn't want to keep him on the 25 man roster all year.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

26 minutes ago, ukyah said:

that's not the way it works.

they pay 50,000 when they drafted him from us, then we pay 25,000 when they offer him back to us. 

edit: i just reread your comment and processed it differently. i think you're still off though. it's not that they wanted to recoup the 25000 dollars. it's that they didn't want to keep him on the 25 man roster all year.

You're RIGHT!!!! That's worse~ They didn't think the guy was worth not only the 50k but they could have worked out a trade dropped him through the waiver process like we did Hopsomechoi and Guerra ...... Even for the dreaded PTBNL which is usually like a bucket of used BP balls or something like that~

[Hubs]

18 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

These are the guys I'm more than willing to drop off the 40-man; Jose Alvarez, Cody Ege, Ashur Tolliver, Daniel Wright, Juan Graterol.  

If we're currently at 39 players, that would drop us down to 34.  If Nate Smith, Key Middleton, Jesus Castillo and Manny Banuelos need to be put on it, that would put us at 38, which is perfectly fine with me.  Enough to bring in a 4th OF, and use the Rule 5 draft to our advantage.  I'm guessing that if we get a 2B, it'll be via trade and won't need to get rid of anyone. 

Alvarez reminds me too much of Salas, and really doesn't offer anything any of the other pitchers don't.  Age is a soft tossing lefty, who's upside is just a left specialist.  Tolliver is similar.  Daniel Wright just isn't a good enough starting pitcher to warrant a waiver claim in the first place and would likely pass through waivers.  Graterol has a cool story, but he could be replaced by any number of minor leaguers. 

I think they need Ege and Alvarez, but I'm with you on the others. And as to Wright, you can add Blake Parker, Kirby Yates, Ji Man Choi and Rey Navvaro to the list. All are AAAA types, and don't have a lot of upside. All were recent waiver claims or Rule V picks. I think they put in waiver claims for depth, but then they are awarded more than one of the guys they wanted. And there's no reason to DFA them and sneak them to the minors until tomorrow, when a lot of names are going to go through waivers.

[Second Base]

19 minutes ago, Hubs said:

I think they need Ege and Alvarez, but I'm with you on the others. And as to Wright, you can add Blake Parker, Kirby Yates, Ji Man Choi and Rey Navvaro to the list. All are AAAA types, and don't have a lot of upside. All were recent waiver claims or Rule V picks. I think they put in waiver claims for depth, but then they are awarded more than one of the guys they wanted. And there's no reason to DFA them and sneak them to the minors until tomorrow, when a lot of names are going to go through waivers.

You're too quick to write off Blake Parker and Kirby Yates. They have the stuff to back up the numbers. Those two have what it takes to be successful major leaguers, you should check them out. And I don't mean that in condescending way. I didn't know anything about them until I actually read scouting reports, watched a few game videos, and looked at their numbers and where they were trending. Both look to me like they're going to be successful in some fashion.

As for Choi, the guy hit .340 in AAA and gives us depth st two positions (1B and LF). He's still relatively young and could figure it out. For sure, he looked overmatched last year, particularly catching up with a fastball. But if he's that good in AAA, there's always the chance he finds his comfort zone and transfers it to the majors. 

I can't say whether it'll ever happen for Choi, but I am saying it's a possibility with him, more so than it is for others.

[totdprods]

22 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

You're too quick to write off Blake Parker and Kirby Yates. They have the stuff to back up the numbers. Those two have what it takes to be successful major leaguers, you should check them out. And I don't mean that in condescending way. I didn't know anything about them until I actually read scouting reports, watched a few game videos, and looked at their numbers and where they were trending. Both look to me like they're going to be successful in some fashion.

As for Choi, the guy hit .340 in AAA and gives us depth st two positions (1B and LF). He's still relatively young and could figure it out. For sure, he looked overmatched last year, particularly catching up with a fastball. But if he's that good in AAA, there's always the chance he finds his comfort zone and transfers it to the majors. 

I can't say whether it'll ever happen for Choi, but I am saying it's a possibility with him, more so than it is for others.

Yeah I think the it's a little early to give up on Choi too. We're still a little too thin on left-handed hitters for him to be at the top of my DFA list - for now. A little thin on OF/1B as is. I think Mahle could be added to the Ege, Alvarez, Tolliver pile as well - remember how quickly Roth and Maronde came and went, simply because they were lefties who ascended quickly? One of them probably gets the boot to make room for Smith.

We're pretty heavy on fringe big-league RHP relievers so we may try and sneak one or two through waivers. 

Petit, Navarro, or even Cowart may see one cut away, but they better be close to getting another MIF or feel very confident in Sherm/Fletch being close midseason. 

Could also trade one of these fringe guys tomorrow for a lower-level prospect. 

[Hubs]

I'm not saying both Parker and Yates will be cut, just that they are similar, and both were cut and claimed simultaneously. So, they really only were hoping to get one. BTW, I don't think Middleton would get picked on the Rule V Draft. 

Smith and Banuelos are the only two likely picks that could be taken in the Rule V Draft. Castillo is only at A ball. And Middleton is a fair bit away from a regular spot. You have to look at AA and AAA guys who are ready to make the leap into at least a full time backup role. (Think Taylor Featherston or Ji Man Choi or Delino Jr.).

 

[Hubs]

Maybe Middleton would be picked but it's a long shot. 

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Hubs said:

I'm not saying both Parker and Yates will be cut, just that they are similar, and both were cut and claimed simultaneously. So, they really only were hoping to get one. BTW, I don't think Middleton would get picked on the Rule V Draft. 

Smith and Banuelos are the only two likely picks that could be taken in the Rule V Draft. Castillo is only at A ball. And Middleton is a fair bit away from a regular spot. You have to look at AA and AAA guys who are ready to make the leap into at least a full time backup role. (Think Taylor Featherston or Ji Man Choi or Delino Jr.).

 

Middleton cracked AAA last year and hit 102. He's the exact kind of arm taken in Rule V drafts and stashed deep in a pen. Especially in this current reliever market.

[jgimondo]

We better start doing something , the Astros just improved big time!

 

[totdprods]

Just now, jgimondo said:

We better start doing something , the Astros just improved big time!

 

Still early. I think we add at least one more really solid player this offseason, but not much more than that. I think we will still play it fairly safe one more season. Go into '18 with a stronger farm, key players returning from DL, and far greater payroll flexibility. Let the Rangers, Astros, and Mariners battle it out in an arms race for one more year, eating away at their farms and clogging their payroll.

[Hubs]

21 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Middleton cracked AAA last year and hit 102. He's the exact kind of arm taken in Rule V drafts and stashed deep in a pen. Especially in this current reliever market.

I was getting him mixed up with someone else. 

Thought he was still starting at A ball. 

[Hubs]

3 minutes ago, Hubs said:

I was getting him mixed up with someone else. 

Thought he was still starting at A ball. 

Ha! I looked up the prospect sheet I saw on him and it was missing all of 2016. That makes way more sense now. And yeah, he'll be added to the roster as will Smith. But Castillo is a long shot only pitching in A, and Banuelos is not likely. So they drop two guys and add these three to the 40-man. The two most likely to be dropped to me are Navarro and Tolliver.