The Official Los Angeles Angels 2017 Minor League Statlines & Prospects thread

[John Smith]

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  Steve Wendt‏ @steve_wendt 5m5 minutes ago

   

 

.@66ersBaseball roster moves 8/19: RHP Luis Pena transferred to Double-A Mobile. RHP Erik Manoah transferred from Low-A Burlington.

[John Smith]

7 minutes ago, John Smith said:

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  Steve Wendt‏ @steve_wendt 5m5 minutes ago

   

 

.@66ersBaseball roster moves 8/19: RHP Luis Pena transferred to Double-A Mobile. RHP Erik Manoah transferred from Low-A Burlington.

 

Kyle Glaser‏Verified account @KyleAGlaser 8m8 minutes ago

 

 

Pena recently took over Cal League strikeout lead (148) in his last start. Averaged 11.5 K/9 post all-star break

[John Smith]

RHP Elvin Rodriguez assigned to Burlington Bees from Orem Owlz.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_trn&lid=118&sid=t420

[Second Base]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

@Angelsjunky zero disagreement with anything you listed. I sorta just burned that list up real quick - ultimately out Herm in 'Tier 1' only because he's closest to MLB-ready. 

I'm really enthused with Torii - I know he's old for the league but he's hardly played baseball and there isn't anything glaringly off about his game. It'd make sense if he was barely walking and striking out a ton, or inflating his numbers through pure speed, or just out slugging younger players a la Wenson, MacKinnon....but he isn't. He's been a perfectly well-rounded, consistent player throughout. I hope he lands amidst more age-appropriate competition next year to see where his talent truly lies, but he could really shoot up the list if he keeps it up.

There's actually a lot of prior circumstances similar to Torii's that we could sort of get an expectation from.  I think it's likely he'll be at Inland Empire next year.  From a tools standpoint, he's faster than his dad ever was, but dad was stronger, even at a younger age.  Like his dad, Jr. inherited a natural defensive acumen.  He covers a ton of ground, is very athletic and looks very comfortable in CF and LF.  The arm might only grade out as average, but Torii Sr.'s arm wasn't elite either. 

[tdawg87]

Jones is fucking killing it. 22 game hit streak.

[SoWhat]

Jam is on fire. Now hitting .344/.394/.549/.943 for IE

[vladdy#27]

Thaiss doubled for the 3rd straight night in a row. He has doubles in 5 of his last 7 games. While he has not homered in nearly 2 months (June 29th) he seems to be at least driving the ball as of late. His slugging percentage was .275 on July 29th, roughly 3 weeks later it is up to .395. During that time span
Avg .389 2B 7 OBP .493 SLG .519 with 13 BB to 10 K
Does a James Loney comp work for Thaiss?

Another thing I found interesting. Leonardo Rivas stole his 18 base of the season tonight, making him 18 for 18 on the season. Prior to this season he had 47 stolen bases in 67 attempts (70%)

[totdprods]

Saturday, August 19th, 2017:
Salt Lake (64-63) lost 5-10 vs. Las Vegas (50-77)
Shane Robinson: 3-5, 2 R, 2 2B
Michael Hermosillo: 3-5, R, 2B, RBI, 2 SB (6) - at AAA (16 G, 61 AB): .295/.368/.541/.909, 8 XBH, 5 BB, 18 K, 6 SB
Ramon Flores: 2-4, R, 2B, 3B, 2 RBI, E (6)
Carlos Perez: 1-4, 2B, RBI
David Fletcher: 1-4, K
Osmer Morales: 5.2 IP, 7 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 2 HR
Deolis Guerra: IP, K

Mobile (57-66)  lost 2-5 vs. Jacksonville (58-65)
Matt Thaiss: 1-3, 2B, RBI, 2 K
Taylor Ward: 1-4, RBI
Jose Rojas: 0-4, 3 K
Jaime Barria: 5 IP, 5 H, ER, BB, 2 K
Connor Lillis-White: IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, K - in last 15.1 IP, 6.46 ERA, 13 H, 13 BB, 19 K
Greg Mahle: IP, H, 2 K

Inland Empire (59-67) lost 4-9 vs. Lancaster (70-56)
Jahmai Jones: 2-4, 2 R, 3B, HR (4), RBI - 22 game hitting streak, at IE (29 G, 122 AB): .344/.394/.549/.943 with 15 XBH, 8 BB, 31 K
Jordan Zimmerman: 1-4, R, HR (3), RBI, K
Jared Walsh: 2-4, K
Jake Yacinich: 2-4, R, HR (5), RBI, K, E (14)
Erik Manoah (1st A+ GS): 4.1 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 3 K

Burlington (54-70) won 5-1 vs. Kane County (67-55)
Leonardo Rivas: 2-5, R, 2 K, SB (7)
Jonah Todd: 1-5, K
Julian Leon: 3-4, 2 R, 2 2B, RBI, BB, K - now slashing .344/.421/.539/.960 in 35 G, 128 AB at Burlington. 17 XBH, 13 BB, 31 K
Richard Fecteau: 2-4, 2 R, RBI
Brennan Morgan: 2-4, 2 RBI
Sam McDonnell: 2-4, 2B
Andrew Vinson: 5 IP, H, BB, 5 K - last 10 GS, 49.1 IP: 3.10 ERA, 41 H, 13 BB, 42 K

Orem (38-17) lost 5-9 to Ogden (35-21)
Jordon Adell (3rd G at Orem): 1-5, 2 K
Brandon Marsh: 1-4, BB, K, SB (5)
Ryan Vega: 0-2, R, 2 BB, OF assist
Harrison Wenson: 1-3, 2 R, HR (12), 4 RBI, BB, K, E (8)

AZL Angels (25-20) lost 0-5 vs. AZL D-Backs (18-27)
Jacob Pearson: 1-4
Nonie Williams: 1-4, 2 K
Jimmy Barnes: 0-3
Jose Soriano: 2.2 IP, 3 H, 5 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, HR 

DSL Angels (24-27) won 7-5 vs. DSL Mets1 (33-19) in 12 innings, completion of 8/3 suspended game
Miguel de la Cruz: 1-6, R, 3B, 2 RBI, K
Oliver Carmona: 1-5, R, 3B, RBI, 2 K
Emilker Guzman: 5 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K - ERA down to 0.97 in 37 IP, with .173 BAA, 0.89 WHIP

DSL Angels (29-33) lost 2-6 vs. DSL Mets1 in 7 innings
Julio de la Cruz: 1-2, BB, CS (7)



 

[totdprods]

Sunday, August 20th, 2017:
Salt Lake (64-64) lost 4-8 to Las Vegas (51-77)
Eric Young, Jr: 1-4, R, BB
Michael Hermosillo: 2-4, R, RBI
Ramon Flores: 3-4, R, 2B, HR (7), 3 RBI
Troy Scribner: IP, 3 H, 2 ER, BB, 3 K - only one inning pitched before lifted, could be starting for Ramirez

Mobile (58-66) won 9-3 vs. Jacksonville (58-66)
Brennon Lund: 1-5, R
Matt Thaiss: 2-4, 2 R, 2 2B, 3 RBI, BB, 2K - five doubles in last four games - AA slash up to .323/.416/.414/.830
Taylor Ward: 0-2
Jose Rojas: 1-3, R, 2B, RBI
Zach Houchins: 2-4, R, HR (11), 2 RBI, K, E (12)
Alberto Triunfel: 2-3, R, RBI, BB
Adam Hofacket (demoted back to AA): IP, 3 H, 2 ER, K, HR
Keep an eye on...
Luis Pena (AA Debut): 6 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 K - last 10 GS (62.1 IP) 3.47 ERA, 81 K; last 6 GS (36.1 IP), 2.23 ERA, 50 K

Inland Empire (59-68) lost 2-7 to Lancaster (71-56)
Jahmai Jones: 1-3, RBI, BB, K, SB (5) - 23 game hitting streak
Jared Walsh: 1-2, 2 BB
Jake Yacinich: 2-3, 2 R, 2B - in the second half (36 G, 132 AB) slashing .311/.355/.432/.786 
Joe Gatto (4th GS at IE): 6.1 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, BB, 4 K - at IE: 4 GS, 21 IP, 3.43 ERA, .263 BAA, 1.43 WHIP, 10 BB, 13 K
Mike Kaelin: 1.2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, K

Burlington (55-70) won 5-3 vs. Kane County (67-56)
Leonardo Rivas: 3-4, R, 2B, BB, E (4)
Jonah Todd: 1-5, R, K, CS (3)
Richard Fecteau: 2-4
Brandon Sandoval: 1-3, R, 2 RBI, BB
Luis Madero: 5 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 3 K - since joining Angels org: 4 GS, 18 IP, 5.00 ERA, .306 BAA, 1.50 WHIP, 5 BB, 14 K
Jonah Wesely: 2 IP, 2 H, K

AZL Angels (26-20) won 19-1 vs. AZL D-backs (18-28)
Jacob Pearson: 1-6, R, 2 RBI, 2 K
Zane Gurwitz: 3-5, 3 RBI, SB (7)
Jimmy Barnes: 1-6, R, 2 K
Nonie Williams: 1-4, 3 R, BB, 2 E (9)
Julio Garcia: 3-3, 4 R, 2B, 3B, 3 RBI, 2 BB - solid .288/.358/.418/.776 slash (20 years old, switch-hitter)
Connor Fitzsimmons: 2-2, 4 R, 2B, 3 RBI
Gleyvin Pineda: 2-5, 2 R, 2B, 3 RBI, K
Jerryell Rivera: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K - on the season, 10.1 IP, 1.74 ERA, .162 ERA, 0.77 WHIP, 2 BB, 10 K
Max Herrmann: 3 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 4 K
Is it time to start paying attention to...
Wilkel Hernandez: 4 IP, H, R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K - he's 18, 6'3", 160, RHP
In 2017 (AZL): 9 G, 6 GS: 1.75 ERA, .153 BAA, 0.89 WHIP, 36 IP, 13 BB, 35 K

[totdprods]

Taylor Blake Ward‏ @TaylorBlakeWard  10m10 minutes ago

MoJaime Barria has been promoted to Triple-A Salt Lake #Angels

[tdawg87]

Whoa. I didn't expect that. 

Just adds another solid pitcher to the depth chart. I didn't expect him to be in the mix until maybe late next year. I'm definitely enjoying the more aggressive promotions. 

[totdprods]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Whoa. I didn't expect that. 

Just adds another solid pitcher to the depth chart. I didn't expect him to be in the mix until maybe late next year. I'm definitely enjoying the more aggressive promotions. 

Same here. Off the top of my head, it seemed a little rushed as Barria wasn't exactly dominating AA, but then I pulled up his stats and he really wasn't faring too poorly. He was actually pretty damn near comparable to his line at Inland Empire.
At AA: 12 GS, 61.2 IP, 62 H, 8 HR, 15 BB, 47 K, 3.21 ERA, 1.26 WHIP
At A+: 11 GS, 65.1 IP, 48 H, 6 HR, 13 BB, 57 K, 2.48 ERA, 0.93 WHIP

With prospect value skyrocketing, players hitting the big leagues earlier, vets tailing off earlier in their careers and dropping in value, I'm wondering if we start to see a big shift in MLB where we see the average age of a ballplayer shift dramatically younger. 

Speaking very generally, for the past couple of decades, a prospect hitting the bigs before 25 was notable. Most players saw prime production 27-32. If someone hit the bigs at 27 or older, that was a 'late-bloomer'. Perhaps things shift up a bit as teams put more emphasis on prospects. Teams promote more aggressively. Teams begin throwing their prospects into the bigs at an earlier age and try, work a player through their lumps at the MLB level, and capitalize by signing longer extensions earlier in careers. Gradually, we start seeing more prospects appearing in MLB closer to ages 21-23, with a 25-year old being labeled a 'late-bloomer' and a prime age being viewed more between 25-30.
 

[Angelsjunky]

I don't know, @totdprods - in my view, the "over/under" age for a prospect reaching the majors is 24. Below 24 is on the young side, above 24 is on the old side.

[Chuck]

7 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I don't know, @totdprods - in my view, the "over/under" age for a prospect reaching the majors is 24. Below 24 is on the young side, above 24 is on the old side.

Not all the time @Angelsjunky. If a player started his baseball playing late in HS, then went to college for 4 years, then needed 2-3 years to develope in the minors, you're looking at age 25-26. Who cares if they come up and they perform and start having an all-star career. 

On the flip side there's been many called up way too soon at ages 21-23 and they've struggled, only to be sent back down and never make it back, or make it back at age 25-27 to have a successful or average career. 

[Angelsjunky]

59 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Not all the time @Angelsjunky. If a player started his baseball playing late in HS, then went to college for 4 years, then needed 2-3 years to develope in the minors, you're looking at age 25-26. Who cares if they come up and they perform and start having an all-star career. 

On the flip side there's been many called up way too soon at ages 21-23 and they've struggled, only to be sent back down and never make it back, or make it back at age 25-27 to have a successful or average career. 

Yes, I know - but I was talking about overall, or at least for guys who become everyday players in the majors. Bench and bullpen guys often start later But I get that it really varies, but when you add up everyone that is a regular for, say, at least five years, I associate 24 as the most common rookie year, with 25 just behind and then 23. In other words, something like this:

Usual Rookie Year Age for Major League Regulars

19-20 Very rare

21 Rare

22 Sometimes

23 Common

24 Most common

25 Common

26 Sometimes

27+ Rare

[GrittyVeterans]

Thaiss is showing signs of a very advanced approach at the plate. The ball isn't going over the fence yet for him but it won't matter too much if he can be a .370 OBP guy at the big league level

 

The kid has a .416 OBP at AA right now

[ettin]

Just now, GrittyVeterans said:

Thaiss is showing signs of a very advanced approach at the plate. The ball isn't going over the fence yet for him but it won't matter too much if he can be a .370 OBP guy at the big league level

It's all about that wRC+!

[GrittyVeterans]

2 minutes ago, ettin said:

It's all about that wRC+!

Sure, but I'd take a guy at leadoff that slashes .260/.370/.400 any day of the week. Especially when you have Trout hitting 40 home runs batting 2nd

[Angelsjunky]

I think Thaiss will hit better than .260, at least eventually. I think a reasonable view of his likely potential is that he hits something like .290/.380/.450, with 15-20 HR a year, 35+ doubles, and 70+ walks. He probably won't hit that right away, but he'll work up to it relatively quickly.

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I think Thaiss will hit better than .260, at least eventually. I think a reasonable view of his likely potential is that he hits something like .290/.380/.450, with 15-20 HR a year, 35+ doubles, and 70+ walks. He probably won't hit that right away, but he'll work up to it relatively quickly.

I'd take 20 HR and 35 doubles. 

If he's going to hit just 10-15 HR and not many extra base hits, we my as well trade him in a package for a player of need since his defense at 1B is still a work in progress. 

[totdprods]

3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I don't know, @totdprods - in my view, the "over/under" age for a prospect reaching the majors is 24. Below 24 is on the young side, above 24 is on the old side.

I sorta winged it there - my point was more intended to wonder if we're seeing a shift in which we see more players hitting the bigs at 21-22, or more players spending less time in the minors or being promoted far more aggressively (such and Herm or Barria (unlikely) possibly going all the way from A+ to a cup of coffee in one season. 

Not totally the same thing, but ten years ago, a player hitting 35/36 was when they started being labeled as 'old' and today that label is starting to attach more around age '32/33'. Will 22 be the new 24, based off what you said?

Economically, I could see teams trying to test good prospects by 'rushing' them faster and having them develop more at the big-league level in hopes that they secure more young players into club-friendly contracts at earlier ages, so they can control more of their prime.

[GrittyVeterans]

2 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I'd take 20 HR and 35 doubles. 

If he's going to hit just 10-15 HR and not many extra base hits, we my as well trade him in a package for a player of need since his defense at 1B is still a work in progress. 

His defense at 1B is fine

He's definitely not worse than a guy like Cron is there

[oater]

Julio Garcia doesn't get much attention on this site, but he has quietly been putting together a good season.  For the second half of the year, he is hitting .344 .408 .525.

With plus defensive skills, he could the SS to follow Simba.

 

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, oater said:

Julio Garcia doesn't get much attention on this site, but he has quietly been putting together a good season.  For the second half of the year, he is hitting .344 .408 .525.

With plus defensive skills, he could the SS to follow Simba.

 

Duly noted. Thanks for pointing that out, @oater.

[ettin]

1 hour ago, oater said:

Julio Garcia doesn't get much attention on this site, but he has quietly been putting together a good season.  For the second half of the year, he is hitting .344 .408 .525.

With plus defensive skills, he could the SS to follow Simba.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Duly noted. Thanks for pointing that out, @oater.

The interesting thing though is that they have him playing almost exclusively 3B this year. If they intended for him to eventually take over SS from Simba you'd think they'd have him working at his primary position?

So if 3B is his primary position what does that say about the Angels interest in extending Simmons at some point and retaining him as SS well into the future?

Just sayin!