Dem Townhall/Iowa Caucuses

[Adam]

Caught a bit of this. Actually caught all of O'Malley's segment. That dude really digs government

[nate]

Bernie still hasn't explained with his college plan how he plans on alleviating college admissions with his crockpot plan.  He keeps saying he will make college free for everyone but hundreds of thousands of kids are denied entrance into college every year because they are full.  Already any degree from a college outside of the top 100 is mostly meaningless so building more crappy colleges doesn't do anything.

 

He also hasn't mentioned that his single payer healthcare would be extremely expensive and also put 500k+ Americans out of the job just so deadbeats that don't have a job and aren't interested in a job can have health care.  Not to mention the huge increase in taxes to pay for all of it.

[mtangelsfan]

Bernie promised to raise taxes.  According to Bernie, that would be around $5000 per person.

 

Sweet.

[fan_since79]

In fairness to Bernie, he said the people that would be paying $5,000 in taxes for his health care plan would not be paying the $10,000 in premiums they currently are.

 

If I understand his idea correctly, he's proposing Medicare for everyone. This is a tax-based system. Everyone would be taxed to finance health care for everyone.

 

But his assertion that one would not be paying premiums is untrue. Those over 65 in Medicare right now pay a monthly premium of about $100, and usually purchase Medicare supplement policies that cover prescription drugs, medical tests, and other costs.

[mtangelsfan]

In fairness to Bernie, he said the people that would be paying $5,000 in taxes for his health care plan would not be paying the $10,000 in premiums they currently are.

 

If I understand his idea correctly, he's proposing Medicare for everyone. This is a tax-based system. Everyone would be taxed to finance health care for everyone.

 

But his assertion that one would not be paying premiums is untrue. Those over 65 in Medicare right now pay a monthly premium of about $100, and usually purchase Medicare supplement policies that cover prescription drugs, medical tests, and other costs.

 

I read what he said, but not everyone pays even close to 10K in premiums and he still doesn't explain where he is going to find all of these doctors.

[Adam]

Bernie still hasn't explained with his college plan how he plans on alleviating college admissions with his crockpot plan.  He keeps saying he will make college free for everyone but hundreds of thousands of kids are denied entrance into college every year because they are full.  Already any degree from a college outside of the top 100 is mostly meaningless so building more crappy colleges doesn't do anything.

 

He also hasn't mentioned that his single payer healthcare would be extremely expensive and also put 500k+ Americans out of the job just so deadbeats that don't have a job and aren't interested in a job can have health care.  Not to mention the huge increase in taxes to pay for all of it.

 

He doesn't have to explain it because it can't happen. Bernie is just paving the way for a Socialist America

[Jay]

somehow Crazy Bernie seems younger than Hillary

[fan_since79]

Some analysts estimate Bernie's health care plan and all the other goodies will cost at least $18 trillion.

 

So you add that to our unfunded liabilities of at least $60 trillion (Social Security, Medicare), and then factor in the current national debt of about $19 trillion.

 

Get ready for whopping tax increases to pay for all this. And just wait until interest rates rise (they inevitably will) and the government is shelling out a trillion each year to service the debt.

Edited January 26, 2016 by fan_since79

[mrwicked]

im not a demo but i like bernie.

seems like a nice dude who genuinely has good intentions.

hillary though? eesh. what a ghoul.

[mtangelsfan]

In fairness to Bernie, he said the people that would be paying $5,000 in taxes for his health care plan would not be paying the $10,000 in premiums they currently are.

 

If I understand his idea correctly, he's proposing Medicare for everyone. This is a tax-based system. Everyone would be taxed to finance health care for everyone.

 

But his assertion that one would not be paying premiums is untrue. Those over 65 in Medicare right now pay a monthly premium of about $100, and usually purchase Medicare supplement policies that cover prescription drugs, medical tests, and other costs.

 

 

This country needs to cut out so much crap.  Especially the military.  Canada, with a national healthcare system actually pays less taxes than we do.

 

If there was a true push to cutting out the incredible waste our government has I might listen to more ideas from the left.  As it is, they have never shown any capability to do most anything well.

[Jay]

This country needs to cut out so much crap.  Especially the military.  Canada, with a national healthcare system actually pays less taxes than we do.

 

If there was a true push to cutting out the incredible waste our government has I might listen to more ideas from the left.  As it is, they have never shown any capability to do most anything well.

 

Canada doesn't need a military because you-know-who will protect them.

[mtangelsfan]

Exactly my point.

[Jay]

Only the US and Estonia are meeting NATO's defense budget goals

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/only-us-and-estonia-meeting-nato-budget-goal-2015-2

 

[mtangelsfan]

F'n Euros.

 

We should pull completely out of there and let them spend their own money.  I also believe we should quit NATO altogether.

[Spirit]

Bernie promised to raise taxes.  According to Bernie, that would be around $5000 per person.

 

Sweet.

 

I expect all Libs to apologize and denounce this travesty of a candidate.

[Angelsjunky]

He doesn't have to explain it because it can't happen. Bernie is just paving the way for a Socialist America

 

Oh Christ. Love the right-wing "fear the commie" rhetoric.

[Adam]

You're a ****ing moron

He's championing in a new idealism. You disagree ****tard?

[Spirit]

[Hollyw00d]

Some analysts estimate Bernie's health care plan and all the other goodies will cost at least $18 trillion.

So you add that to our unfunded liabilities of at least $60 trillion (Social Security, Medicare), and then factor in the current national debt of about $19 trillion.

Get ready for whopping tax increases to pay for all this. And just wait until interest rates rise (they inevitably will) and the government is shelling out a trillion each year to service the debt.

Guess who used the country like his personal credit card and went on a spending spree like Kim K on meth?

That's right, your boy dubya!

[Hollyw00d]

Only the US and Estonia are meeting NATO's defense budget goals

http://www.businessinsider.com/only-us-and-estonia-meeting-nato-budget-goal-2015-2

NATO can kiss my ass

[nate]

That graph just shows how stupid the US is. Pathetic

[Hollyw00d]

Talk about socialism. Military socialism

[Spirit]

Obama loves his drones. 

[Rico]

Bernie is actually far left of my own views, and I'm pretty left.  But I feel confident in voting for him knowing most of his extreme stuff won't get the support to actually pass.  I feel like Bernie with a Republican controlled house will off-set each other and actually be good for this country.   At least for 4-years.

[Kevin]

So I'm guessing Adam and AJ won't be having a beer together as they watch an Angels game?