Official Car and DUI Thread

[nate]

People can be addicted to something and harm themselves all they want.  As soon as they put other lives in danger then cry me a river and enjoy your time behind bars.

 

Imagine the worthless pile of shit that gets in a car "blackout drunk" and doesn't know what they are doing killing a ten year old.  I am sure the parents of that 10 year old would totally accept the apology that the person didn't know what they were doing.

Edited January 15, 2016 by nate

[mp170.6]

This is why I think breathalyzers in all new cars are necessary. An alcoholic who is in the midst of a blackout binge doesn't think before starting their car. Driving a car is still something they can do at an instinctual level, even if they can't do it very well while heavily under the influence. Theres little chance they could convince a sober person to blow into the breathalyzer for them. When the breathalyzer flashes .17 they would probably snap out of it and take a nap.

 

I don't know anything about car breathalyzers, but like every other component on modern cars, these things can be hacked, disabled, removed, etc. 

 

The notion of "unhackable" anything is wishful thinking at its finest. 

[wopphil]

I know someone with 9 DUIs. Good dude too.

I'll be interested in where you heroes take this thread.

Like Adam, I am a fan of Darwinism.

I know someone with 8. And he got number 8 just three days after he got number 7. I think the first three were over ten years ago though, so the law deems him as having only 5. Still, I think he is looking at some legit jail time.

[Spirit]

I'm glad this issue is finally getting some real discussion ... if even only on our board.  Maybe someday our President will shed a tear for those that have been killed in this manner.

[arch stanton]

As far as I'm concerned, trying to prevent people from doing foolish, dangerous, and self-destructive things is a fool's errand. I'm for giving them all the rope they need then hanging them pretty severely right off the bat. Actions and consequences may not be learned in home or in school but we can be sure it's taught on the roads.

[mp170.6]

If someone wants to go to those measures, fine. It would be highly illegal and carry the risk of being caught. If a car is found to have a disabled breathalyzer it would be a major violation, and if you're caught under the influence with a disabled breathalyzer you get an attempted manslaughter charge to deal with.

 

The problem there is how do you prove disabled vs. defective, or who disabled it?

[ABC]

I know someone with 9 DUIs.   Good dude too. 

 

I'll be interested in where you heroes take this thread.

 

Like Adam, I am a fan of Darwinism.

 

 Is it Darwinism if the drunkie sexting behind the wheel t-bones you? 

 

 

People die. People die tragically. I'm okay with that. 

 

[ABC]

How stupid and irresponsible must one be to acquire 9 DUI's? 

 

Lock that guy up before he kills someone (if he hasn't already done so).

 

We should implement caning. Send violent peeps to prison. A couple of DUIs gets you some time in county and help. After two, you get fvcked up with with a stick...and more help.

[mp170.6]

Make DUI violators do 2500 hours of community service. 

 

There's no excuse for any government buildings to be dirty, the grass not to be cut, or the shrubs not pruned.  Make these people get on their hands and knees and scrub every square inch of floor. 

[nate]

The threat of significant jail time or, you know, the fact that you might kill someone should be enough to stop people from DUIs.  If it isn't, rotting in jail will definitely stop them.

[Crampknees]

Only person I knew with multiple DUI's,and it wasn't just DUI's, alcohol caused multiple run-ins with the law for him, he was a bar brawler. On his way home (more likely toward the bar) from work sober was t-boned and killed by a....drunk driver.

[Lou]

And if he kills someone during their drinking and driving escapade? If there is no teeth behind initial DUI convictions, than it's pointless...because the reality is their "first" DUI can be part of an accident that takes the lives of others. The goal shouldn't be to reduce multiple instances...but any instance. It should hurt...and leave a mark.

If that were the case, the driver would be facing prison time of 4-10 years.

[Lou]

The first time already is harsh and does sting, trust me it's not just a slap on the wrist.  You pay at least $10K between fines, alcohol school costs and increased car insurance rates and there's a time commitment in order to get everything completed which is necessary to keep your provisional license.  If you miss two alcohol classes (you have to go once or twice a week for 3-9 months depending on the circumstances of your case), don't pay your fines, don't attend required AA meetings, don't do community service if assigned or get caught driving with your provisional license when you're not supposed to be you end up back in court, most likely in jail and will lose your license.  

 

Edit - all of the above were the major requirements over 10 years ago.  At that time the DUI was on your record for 10 years and if anything it's probably only been extended.  Some time after I believe they started requiring people to attend a MADD meeting where they get blasted for being idiots.

It's still 10 years. However, whether AA classes are required is a county issue. For example, LA County requires them, San Bernardino does not. It's basically up to the judge to decide' which they rarely do. ( on 1st offenses)

Community service (work release) is an option in lieu of actually spending time in jail. Some also have the option of home confinement.

[mtangelsfan]

It's still 10 years. However, whether AA classes are required is a county issue. For example, LA County requires them, San Bernardino does not. It's basically up to the judge to decide' which they rarely do. ( on 1st offenses)

Community service (work release) is an option in lieu of actually spending time in jail. Some also have the option of home confinement.

 

Which is basically a state mandated time out.

[Lou]

You could say the same thing about a rapist or a burgler.

 

Jail seems to do an ok job with helping someone.  You won't see me taking pity on someone who selfishly puts lives in danger.  Remember the person who killed Adenhart had a few DUIs on his record.  The world would have been better off if he was rotting in jail.

"Jail seems to do an ok job with helping someone"

it does? the last figures I saw (for 2012) showed that those released from prison had a recidivism rate to be over 65% .

That's within 3 years of being released. 73% of those repeat offenders did so within the first year.

[Lou]

Which is basically a state mandated time out.

It costs a little money, but it enables a person to keep their job.

[nate]

"Jail seems to do an ok job with helping someone"

it does? the last figures I saw (for 2012) showed that those released from prison had a recidivism rate to be over 65% .

That's within 3 years of being released. 73% of those repeat offenders did so within the first year.

 

Do you think that the recidivism for government required and facilitated rehab is lower?

[Lou]

in what sense?

[mtangelsfan]

It costs a little money, but it enables a person to keep their job.

 

Yeah but it isn't much of a punishment.  It is like a teenager being put on restriction.

[Lou]

Yeah but it isn't much of a punishment.  It is like a teenager being put on restriction.

Oh I agree. However, I'd rather have them sitting at home than cleaning roads during the day with evenings free to do as they please

[Crampknees]

Oh I agree. However, I'd rather have them sitting at home than cleaning roads during the day with evenings free to do as they please

Have to agree, I have to work the road crew all day I will get thirsty when they release me and spotted that bar across the street. 

[Tank]

Obviously you don't understand addiction. They are not going to quit drinking and its the drinking, not the driving, that gets them in this mess. 

 

"rotting" in jail will cost taxpayers 50k/year.

 

Or we can make cars that won't start unless the driver is sober(~$500 per new car).

 

and what should we do if they decide to borrow a car that doesn't have a breathalyzer installed? and what if they get loaded and kill someone while driving that car?

 

and people with addictions can learn to control them.

[Lou]

and what should we do if they decide to borrow a car that doesn't have a breathalyzer installed? and what if they get loaded and kill someone while driving that car?

 

and people with addictions can learn to control them.

They would be charged with murder.

[Glen]

If they put breathalyzers in cars, the breathalyzers should be shaped like dicks.

[Lou]

and there it is