Prime Time for Angels to Acquire Longoria

[ABC]

2015: .270 .328 .435 .764

2014: .253 .320 .404 .724

2013: .269 .343 .498 .842

 

Played 160+ games each season. Tampa Bay may bite on a reasonable trade.

 

Evan Longoria 3b
6 years/$17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club options
6 years/$100M (2017-22), plus 2023 club option

• 6 years/100M (2017-22), plus 2023 club options
  • signed extension with Tampa Bay 11/26/12
  • $1M signing bonus
  • 17:$13M, 18:$13.5M, 19:$14.5M, 20:$15M, 21:$18.5M,22:$19.5M, 23:$13M club option ($5M buyout)
  • 2023 option may increase $5M to $18M based on 2022 awards (rank in MVP vote, Gold Glove at third base, Silver Slugger or All-Star)
  • $11M in salary deferred without interest ($1.5M each in 2017-18 and $2M each in 2019-22), reducing present-day value for 2013-22 to $131,044,173 according to MLBPA calculation
  • as part of the deal, Tampa Bay exercised 2014-16 club options in previous contract
  • Tampa Bay also converted $6M salary for 2013 to $2M in salary & $4M signing bonus (for total of $5M in bonus money to be paid in 3 installments in 2013)
• 6 years/17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club options
  • contract purchased by Tampa Bay 4/12/08
  • signed extension with Tampa Bay 4/18/08, replacing 1-year deal
  • 08:$0.5M, 09:$0.55M, 10:$0.95M, 11:$2M, 12:$4.5M, 13:$6M,14:$7.5M club option ($3M buyout), 15:$11M club option,16:$11.5M club option
  • if Longoria otherwise would be arbitration-eligible
    • after 2010, 2011 salary increases to $2.5M
    • after 2011, buyout for 2014 option increases to $4M
  • club must decide by 11/2014 whether to exercise 2015-16 options
  • 2016 option may increase to $14M based on rankings in MVP vote (earned increase to $12.1M)
  • award bonuses: $50,000 for All Star, $25,000 for Gold Glove

Edited October 14, 2015 by CF8

[gotbeer]

I'd ask.  But he's still going to be expensive.  7 years, $111.5 million is still a bargain.  Interestingly, I don't see any kind of no trade.  

[Stradling]

I wouldn't mind getting him at all. I had been thinking about him the last few months leading up to the trade deadline.

[Adam]

Longoria is a disaster. Pass

[VariousCrap]

No thanks.

[Blarg]

Another disaster idea where someone likes the name recognition but ignores what made him great ended 2 years ago with 7 more to go. 

[ABC]

Another disaster idea where someone likes the name recognition but ignores what made him great ended 2 years ago with 7 more to go. 

 

Who is ignoring the last two seasons?

[Ohtaniland]

Let's add another high paid aging veteran. Scioscia would love it.

[Stradling]

Just looking to give you some more material Claude

[ABC]

Beltre also had two poor seasons in his 29 and 30 age years after a great track record. He proceeds to rebound with 6 all-star type seasons to follow. Both also have great gloves. 

[tdawg87]

Depends on what it would cost. If you have to give up Newcomb+ then you walk away. But if TB would be fine with a package centered around Santiago and Smith/Ellis then you would have to look at it.

 

My guess is TB would want a lot more than that for their "guy" though. He's still a good player (despite the expected AW hyperbole pointing out otherwise), but he doesn't appear to be nearly the same player he was just a few years ago.

 

But it's worth a phone call at least.

[Second Base]

In the AL West, at Angels stadium, I'd say he's a safe bet to hit .270/.330 with 40 DB and 20 HR.  Pretty solid, probably worth 15 million a year he's being paid.  He's also 30 years old though, which means we can probably expect his prime numbers for 2-3 more seasons before things begin to drop off.  That means his last 4 years he'll be overpaid, and underperforming.  Doesn't sound too good. 

 

Plus, our history with trading with Tampa Bay is atrocious.  Scott Kazmir, Cesar Ramos, Matt Joyce, David DeJesus.  Kaz was a disaster as soon as he arrived, and it's still a sore spot with fans that he went elsewhere to find success.  Ramos' numbers look god, but he's a lefty specialist that couldn't get lefties out, and buckled in high leverage situations.  Joyce was a dumpster fire in LF.  DeJesus did absolutely nothing upon arriving. 

 

Maybe not trade with TB anymore. 

[Stradling]

Depends on what it would cost. If you have to give up Newcomb+ then you walk away. But if TB would be fine with a package centered around Santiago and Smith/Ellis then you would have to look at it.

My guess is TB would want a lot more than that for their "guy" though. He's still a good player (despite the expected AW hyperbole pointing out otherwise), but he doesn't appear to be nearly the same player he was just a few years ago.

But it's worth a phone call at least.

tdawg, you and I are on the exact same page on the AW philosophy that you are either Trout or you suck, of and if you are Trout and it is August of this year, we will talk about trading you. Newsflash AW, every free agent worth a damn has risk involved and those that don't appear to have risk will cost more money than they will actually be worth.

[Stradling]

In the AL West, at Angels stadium, I'd say he's a safe bet to hit .270/.330 with 40 DB and 20 HR. Pretty solid, probably worth 15 million a year he's being paid. He's also 30 years old though, which means we can probably expect his prime numbers for 2-3 more seasons before things begin to drop off. That means his last 4 years he'll be overpaid, and underperforming. Doesn't sound too good.

Plus, our history with trading with Tampa Bay is atrocious. Scott Kazmir, Cesar Ramos, Matt Joyce, David DeJesus. Kaz was a disaster as soon as he arrived, and it's still a sore spot with fans that he went elsewhere to find success. Ramos' numbers look god, but he's a lefty specialist that couldn't get lefties out, and buckled in high leverage situations. Joyce was a dumpster fire in LF. DeJesus did absolutely nothing upon arriving.

Maybe not trade with TB anymore.

History of trades with teams means nothing. For one, Dipoto and Reagins aren't here anymore and Freidman isn't there anymore.

[Angel Oracle]

.724 and .764 OPS in 2014 and 2015 while playing in a hitters' division does not = a glowing recommendation.

He's 31 in 2016, and declining with $111.5 million still owed to him.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[Blarg]

Who is ignoring the last two seasons?

 

And you believe his trend says that 110 OPS+ is going to improve over the next $110 million dollars in a pitchers park? 

 

Let's look at this trend, .261/.324/.419 for an awe inspiring .744 ops with fewer bombs than Calhoun in a home run friendly park. And he wasn't hurt, in fact he played 162 and 160 games, so it wasn't a health problem that he has to bounce back from. He will have them since he has been playing on cement for the last 8 years. 

 

Nice use of the payroll for picking up the next David Freese. 

[Ohtaniland]

Just looking to give you some more material Claude

Actually I'm ok with it as long as we don't get to crazy on the compensation.

[ettin]

Although he is a Dirtbag (which automatically earns him an extra $10MM in value) it would cost too much to acquire him and he seems to have plateaued out at a level that isn't particularly exciting.

[Angel Oracle]

Notti brings up another good point.    Longoria playing all of those games on the stupid turf can't help his legs any long term.

Finally, once Rogers Center converts to baseball only, only one stadium remains with that stupid turf.

Time for Tampa Bay to move out of town.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

The dude has been worth 14 wins over the last three seasons, he's 30 years old and he's he's owned $16m per year over the next 7 years. There is a lot of excess value here, even if the back end of the contract isn't looking too hot.

[tdawg87]

And you believe his trend says that 110 OPS+ is going to improve over the next $110 million dollars in a pitchers park? 

 

Let's look at this trend, .261/.324/.419 for an awe inspiring .744 ops with fewer bombs than Calhoun in a home run friendly park. And he wasn't hurt, in fact he played 162 and 160 games, so it wasn't a health problem that he has to bounce back from. He will have them since he has been playing on cement for the last 8 years. 

 

Nice use of the payroll for picking up the next David Freese. 

 

David Freese doesn't play defense a quarter as well as Longoria does. Not even close.

 

Also Tropicana is not a hitter's park. It's actually pretty close to Angels' stadium in terms of park factors.

[tdawg87]

The dude has been worth 14 wins over the last three seasons, he's 30 years old and he's he's owned $16m per year over the next 7 years. There is a lot of excess value here, even if the back end of the contract isn't looking too hot.

 

But, he isn't the best player in the game and he can't be had for next to nothing so he sucks and we shouldn't go after him.

[Blarg]

Notti brings up another good point.    Longoria playing all of those games on the stupid turf can't help his legs any long term.

Finally, once Rogers Center converts to baseball only, only one stadium remains with that stupid turf.

Time for Tampa Bay to move out of town.  

 

They did, the games are payed in St. Petersburg. 

[NJHalo]

I would rather give up no players, less money, and less years and sign Zobrist

[AngelsLakersFan]

But, he isn't the best player in the game and he can't be had for next to nothing so he sucks and we shouldn't go after him.

 

Well, obviously.