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[NrM]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

Am I missing anything here ? 3 months in ?
 

• Failed to deliver $15 minimum wage immediately 
• Blew smoke up everyone’s ass about the $2000 checks.  Lied and said no actually we said $1400 all along.  Also fuck you we’re reducing the band of people eligible.  And it’s going to take 3+ months to do jack shit.  
• More troops to the Middle East 
• bombing Syria 

This is why I was saying who gives a shit if Biden wins or not before the election.  It’s just same cycle as ever.  The Democrats manage the lurch right and wait for the next Republican to come and push us even further right.  Rinse repeat, rinse repeat, rinse repeat.   I can’t wait for them to start talking about about a grand bargain or whatever the fuck.  Should be good ! 

House passing decrim marijuana right before election and now completely ignoring it.

 

[mtangelsfan]

27 minutes ago, Taylor said:

$15 minimum wage would cause the world to end, just like prop 22 failing would cause families to starve and poor startups Uber and Lyft to have to charge $100 for 2-mile rides.

Like prop 13 was going to close all parks, schools and fire stations?
 

OMG, you mean political hyperbole isn’t singular to conservatives?

[mtangelsfan]

26 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Are you saying that mega corporations don't give a flying F about human beings?

You realize the proposed 15 per hour minimum wage won’t really hurt mega corporations, right?
 

it will hurt small and medium sized businesses though.  It will end up being a type of regressive tax that hurts low income folks the most because they buy most of those products.  

[Kevin]

23 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Am I missing anything here ? 3 months in ?
 

• Failed to deliver $15 minimum wage immediately 
• Blew smoke up everyone’s ass about the $2000 checks.  Lied and said no actually we said $1400 all along.  Also fuck you we’re reducing the band of people eligible.  And it’s going to take 3+ months to do jack shit.  
• More troops to the Middle East 
• bombing Syria 

This is why I was saying who gives a shit if Biden wins or not before the election.  It’s just same cycle as ever.  The Democrats manage the lurch right and wait for the next Republican to come and push us even further right.  Rinse repeat, rinse repeat, rinse repeat.   I can’t wait for them to start talking about about a grand bargain or whatever the fuck.  Should be good ! 

I haven’t seen anything about more troops to the ME. 

And buck up, it’s been over a week since we have bombed Syria, we might even make it to two weeks....

Although we came close.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1259680

 

 

 

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Kevin said:

I haven’t seen anything about more troops to the ME. 

And buck up, it’s been over a week since we have bombed Syria, we might even make it to two weeks....

Although we came close.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1259680

 

 

 

I don’t even believe that story.  I think they just planted that bullshit.  “Called off because of children and women” fuck off.  What a crock of bullshit.  Like that’s ever stopped them. 

[UndertheHalo]

How many mooslamic babies has the United States murdered in the last 25 years because they were a city block too close to the wrong guys cell phone ? Fucking demons. 

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[Taylor]

25 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Like prop 13 was going to close all parks, schools and fire stations?
 

OMG, you mean political hyperbole isn’t singular to conservatives?

California Dems sku. The propaganda around the props from both sides is infuriating.

[mtangelsfan]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

California Dems sku. The propaganda around the props from both sides is infuriating.

It isn’t just in California 

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

California Dems sku. The propaganda around the props from both sides is infuriating.

California has an insane and unworkable system with the way we do the propositions.  Do you know how much Uber and Lyft and that industry spent to turn over the vote that Californians passed only 2 years earlier ?   What changed in 2 years ? This is what they’ll do with everything.  It’s ridiculous.

And Uber and Lyft aren’t even real businesses.  They don’t make money.  They’ll never make any money.  They just suck down VC money and bleed. They “disrupted” (destroyed) an industry with decent paying  jobs and some semblance of labor power so people can pretend to be small business owners and destroy their personal vehicles for Uber.  The gig economy monster is coming for a lot more than the taxis.  

[UndertheHalo]

And the answer is almost a quarter of a billion dollars.  That’s how much the gig economy vampires spent to inundate California’s airwaves  24/7 and bomb everyone’s cell phones with text messages about their bullshit.  

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

52 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

You realize the proposed 15 per hour minimum wage won’t really hurt mega corporations, right?
 

it will hurt small and medium sized businesses though.  It will end up being a type of regressive tax that hurts low income folks the most because they buy most of those products.  

No it wouldn’t.  And most small businesses don’t pay minimum wage anyway.  Do you know how much more a burger in Australia or Scandinavia is vs. here ?  Despite paying their workers in some cases triple.  And they have much stricter requirements around the food quality.  Somehow they manage and their burgers don’t cost 50 dollars.  That’s as good an example as any. Why is it that labor is the only place where we can imagine a business can cut costs ?

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

I think there’s room for discussion around letting the pool cleaning business that hires a couple of high school kids to work 8-12 hours a week have an exemption.  But we need to stop pretending that this type of business can govern what we do with labor policy.  It’s fucking crazy. 

[mtangelsfan]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

No it wouldn’t.  And most small businesses don’t pay minimum wage anyway.  Do you know how much more a burger in Australia or Scandinavia is vs. here ?  Despite paying their workers in some cases triple.  And they have much stricter requirements around the food quality.  Why is it that labor is the only place where where we can imagine a business can cut costs ?

Of course it would.  Do you really believe gas stations and Taco Johns franchises have thousands of extra dollars to spend each month?  They would have to raise their prices.

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Of course it would.  Do you really believe gas stations and Taco Johns franchises have thousands of extra dollars to spend each month?  They would have to raise their prices.

I suspect that if their business is viable and they obviously are than they could manage.  And even if their was some minor increase who cares ? Who do you think their customers are ?? People who will have more money because they have better pay. 

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[mtangelsfan]

10 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I suspect that if their business is viable and they obviously are than they could manage.  And even if their was some minor increase who cares ? Who do you think their customers are ?? People who will have more money because they have better pay. 

It would be a wash and many business would go under and many other just would cut staff.  There is a whole blot of unintended consequences with this kind of thing.

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

It would be a wash and many business would go under and many other just would cut staff.  There is a whole blot of unintended consequences with this kind of thing.

We’re just going to go around and around on this.  There’s lot of evidence to support the idea that raising wages is good for business.  You’re taking the view that it is only a net negative and its just not.  Why don’t we just get rid of minimum wage all together with this thought track you’re on ? Then surely more people will get hired and prices will come down right ? 

[UndertheHalo]

In the Scandinavian example I love so much you’ll probably be surprised to know that Sweden for example does not have a minimum wage.  The difference is that they have strong labor power.  Nearly worker In Sweden is in a union and the Employer must negotiate with the union.  The result is a balance that allows for dignified work and a more harmonious society.  We don’t have any of that shit here.  Because the reactionary fucks control everything.  So the only force we have here to ensure a workers dignity is a government that fails miserably.  And it’s allowed because people refuse to believe that life can be better for anyone in the richest country in the world.  As they say “Americans all millionaires that are temporarily embarrassed”   How fucking bleak. 

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[Blarg]

Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the US. 

[Crampknees]

7 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the US. 

Whenever Blarg just comes up with a fact 

[RallyMo]

22 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the US. 

 

14 minutes ago, Crampknees said:

Whenever Blarg just comes up with a fact 

 

[mtangelsfan]

12 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

We’re just going to go around and around on this.  There’s lot of evidence to support the idea that raising wages is good for business.  You’re taking the view that it is only a net negative and its just not.  Why don’t we just get rid of minimum wage all together with this thought track you’re on ? Then surely more people will get hired and prices will come down right ? 

We are going to round and round on this for sure.  Nothing is all negative or all positive.   I just think the net, net will not favor middle to lower income people.  I also think that a comparison of a mostly homogeneous and way less populated country with a completely different history than ours just doesn't work.  It's like arguing whether Babe Ruth could play successfully in the present. 

[UndertheHalo]

4 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

We are going to round and round on this for sure.  Nothing is all negative or all positive.   I just think the net, net will not favor middle to lower income people.  I also think that a comparison of a mostly homogeneous and way less populated country with a completely different history than ours just doesn't work.  It's like arguing whether Babe Ruth could play successfully in the present. 

The difference is a country that doesn’t have a religious devotion to the imaginary powers of the invisible hand.  And I have no idea what the homogeneous comment is about. Lol what does this even mean ? The US has too many blacks and Hispanics to do fair labor and social welfare? What the fuck haha ? The Swedes aren’t all like minded robots dude.  The bottom line is, that in wealthy west most countries decided to have some kind of consensus on a social safety net.  In the US we did not because you’re right.  We are different.  In a deeply shitty way we have pure contempt for each other.  Toxic individualism I think is the right description.  That’s a deep thing to dig into.  All of the history of how that happened and rolled into the situation we have today is too much for this message board.  There’s probably a million pages written about it from all over the political spectrum.  Anyway the US is particularly unique in that way and that is very sad imo.  But back to the discussion, I don’t believe that the US not ever getting around to that simple and humane concept means that it can never ever get around to it.  We’ll keep arguing about it I guess.  Hopefully someday your mind changes a little.

and sure Sweden has less people.  The US has way more wealth, far more natural resources, far more mass of land to work with.  And I’d say that the larger population is an asset not a hindrance.  

Edited March 6, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

Oh and the life expectancy in the US declining.  Even for whites.  But ya let’s drop some false facts about suicide rates.  

[Taylor]

3 hours ago, fishbulb said:

 

 

@Blarg, in case you missed it, 11.73 is a smaller number than 14.5

The U.S. even has a higher rate than Russia and Cuba.

[Taylor]

One of the things that expanded healthcare would ensure is access to mental health services. It's not always easy now to find a psychiatrist or counselor in your network who is taking new patients.