Angels-Phillies discussing trade...

[HeavenlyHalos]

So are we just ignoring what he is doing this year then? You don't think a proven vet hitting 260 with 25 plus bombs a year for let's say 5 mil a year is not a good move? Are strikeouts a concern? An out is an out right?

 

He is having a nice year sure, but I highly doubt he hits .260, probably will end up around .235 here. Yes, he will hit around 25 home runs, but strikeouts are a huge concern when you had 190 last season while only hitting .223. He is 35 and we would have him next year as well, and again Sosh loves to play veterans so I see him getting many opportunities even if he is terrible. I would rather call up Bandy and try Iannetta at DH before we start getting this desperate. 

 

Someone posted this in the other Howard thread, but here are his road OPS numbers from the past few years

 

2014: .668

2013: .619

2012: .696

 

He does have a nice .797 OPS this season, but I will take the 2012-14 sample size. I don't want to add another really old player who has struggled in recent years. There is a reason the Phillies have been trying to dump him (and eat most of his salary) the past 3 seasons.

Edited May 21, 2015 by HeavenlyHalos

[stormngt]

Hell. Wells would be one of our best hitters this year

Lol, recovering from injuries or not, he struck out 190 times, hit .223, and had an OPS under .700. He can still hit some HRs though. He is Vernon Wells with more strike outs and walks.

[Cdaniel]

He is having a nice year sure, but I highly doubt he hits .260, probably will end up around .235 here. Yes, he will hit around 25 home runs, but strikeouts are a huge concern when you had 190 last season while only hitting .223. He is 35 and we would have him next year as well, and again Sosh loves to play veterans so I see him getting many opportunities even if he is terrible. I would rather call up Bandy and try Iannetta at DH before we start getting this desperate.

Someone posted this in the other Howard thread, but here are his road OPS numbers from the past few years

2014: .668

2013: .619

2012: .696

He does have a nice .797 OPS this season, but I will take the 2012-14 sample size. I don't want to add another really old player who has struggled in recent years. There is a reason the Phillies have been trying to dump him (and eat most of his salary) the past 3 seasons.

He was hurt 2 out of those 3 years though.

[AngelStew43]

If DeLoach is included in any deal, and we keep the other young arms, that would be outstanding.

[tdawg87]

I'm going to go ahead and say that whomever it is we want to keep, are the players/prospects other teams are going to want. Remember how much of a "disaster" most of us thought the Street trade was at first? It was because we traded several players we all wanted to keep.

[mrwicked]

awesome!

[Inside Pitch]

So are we just ignoring what he is doing this year then? You don't think a proven vet hitting 260 with 25 plus bombs a year for let's say 5 mil a year is not a good move? Are strikeouts a concern? An out is an out right?

 

I'm choosing to ignore a hot streak in May in favor of a sample size that goes for years.

 

Ryan Howard in April - .194/.247/.417

Ryan Howard in May - .328/.377/.609 -- with a BABIP of .447 the lat 15 games

 

The guy's career BABIP is .319, he isn't performing to normal, he's on a blasted hot streak.    But lets pretend the last four years didn't happen, and let's pretend that Angel Stadium doesn't hurt LHB...   

 

Beyond the obvious, the guy can only play 1B or DH...  What could possibly go wrong?

Edited May 21, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[HeavenlyHalos]

He was hurt 2 out of those 3 years though.

 

Okay, but when he did play he was terrible. Last season was the year he was healthy and was the worst of his career. At this point he only offers the occasional home run and some walks which don't make up for his terrible batting average.

[tdawg87]

Ryan Howard sucks and should only be a throw-in with the Phillies taking on 60% or more of his remaining salary. His actual trade value should be minimal at best. Like, a relief prospect not named Bedrosian for him at best.

[Tyler]

I'm also with the big fat no to Howard, at whatever cost, as an Angel crew.

[Docwaukee]

I didn't like what we gave up in the Street trade, but we got the player we needed and will end up having him for 3.5 yrs at a reasonable cost.  

 

I think JD does a very good job of knowing who to let go and who to keep.  So whoever goes for a guy like Revere might seem like an over pay at first, but won't be that big of a deal long term.  

 

My real issue with Revere no matter who we give up is thinking he's the solution to our problem.  We are putting a light hitting CFer at a corner OF position thinking that is going to help.  

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not a horrible player.  He just doesn't solve our problem.  

[Inside Pitch]

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not a horrible player.  He just doesn't solve our problem.  

 

He's not even a poor man's Orlando Palmiero.

[Glen]

I didn't like what we gave up in the Street trade, but we got the player we needed and will end up having him for 3.5 yrs at a reasonable cost.  

 

I think JD does a very good job of knowing who to let go and who to keep.  So whoever goes for a guy like Revere might seem like an over pay at first, but won't be that big of a deal long term.  

 

My real issue with Revere no matter who we give up is thinking he's the solution to our problem.  We are putting a light hitting CFer at a corner OF position thinking that is going to help.  

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not a horrible player.  He just doesn't solve our problem.  

 

 

That depends on how you define solving the problem.  He's definitely better than what we have right now.  I don't think anybody is expecting awesome returns from him; we're just expecting he'd be better than what we have.

[Tyler]

Hater alert.

 

Legit base threat. Those dinky singles turn into doubles in no time. Especially with a patient hitter like Trout hitting behind you.

[WallyWorld]

yeah I don't see how Revere or Howard makes us a better team.

 

Howard was a serious DFA candidate going into the season. He's on a hot streak at the moment, but dude is on his last legs.

[Docwaukee]

Hater alert.

 

Legit base threat. Those dinky singles turn into doubles in no time. Especially with a patient hitter like Trout hitting behind you.

 

 

just imagine the bunting opportunities.  

[Tyler]

just imagine the bunting opportunities.  

 

A magician like Scioscia can't wait to get his hands on a puppet like Revere.

[Chris]

this reminds me a little of when Brandon Wood didn't produce at 3B leaving a gaping hole; we had to fill a hole and did so with Alberto Callaspo

 

by going from almost zero production to almost league average production  was a drastic upgrade for us

[Glen]

If you don't see how Revere is an upgrade over Joyce/Cowgill then you might need glasses.

 

But again, it depends upon the cost.

[AngelStew43]

A lineup that looks like:

 

Revere

Trout

Pujols

Calhoun

Howard

Freese

Aybar

Perez

Giovatella

 

Is better than anything we've put out there all season long, regardless of what Revere and Howard may bring to the team. 

[bloodbrother]

No to Howard. Get the power bat for DH elsewhere

[Reveille1984]

If you don't see how Revere is an upgrade over Joyce/Cowgill then you might need glasses.

 

But again, it depends upon the cost.

 

How is Revere a substantial upgrade over Cowgill?  Cowgill has been worth more this season than Revere in about 1/3 the at bats, primarily because he is actually a good defender where Revere is Juan Pierre lite.  Cowgill also has .233 BABIP right now as opposed to a career average of .311.  You make it sound so obvious, but Revere is a very, very mediocre baseball player.  It's like asking someone if they'd rather step in cow shit or dog shit.  At least with Cowgill we aren't dealing prospects for a return of shit.

 

I'd venture to say we'd have the same record at the end of the season whether we played Cowgill or Revere in left field.  Every projection model also agrees with this assumption, even giving Cowgill a slight edge.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Reveille1984

[Guest]

Wish we had kendrys

[Angel Oracle]

Just say no to Revere.

[Cdaniel]

No to Howard. Get the power bat for DH elsewhere

Even if he is practically a throw in?